14276265 Posted 22 August , 2015 Share Posted 22 August , 2015 It would appear that of the three British 12" howitzers captured to the end of March 1918, two were railway and one was tractor; attached excerpt from OH Ministry of Munitions I have found no evidence of British rail guns being captured before the German spring offensive. 265 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 23 August , 2015 Share Posted 23 August , 2015 Here is another info from the book from Mr. Muther: He writes, that in 1916/17 no captured 30,5 was in action, but three of them in autumn 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikB Posted 23 August , 2015 Share Posted 23 August , 2015 It looks from the list above as if the British '10-cm-K' (4-inch? possibly Naval?) in 1916/17 were converted to 12,7 cm (5-inch/60-pr.?), and the 3 captured 12-inch look to be all railway guns ('E.' = Eisenbahn?). Regards, MikB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 23 August , 2015 Share Posted 23 August , 2015 Yes. umg. means "umgerüstet aus". That means the calibre had been changed from 12,7 into 10. E is Eisenbahn, right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikB Posted 23 August , 2015 Share Posted 23 August , 2015 Yes. umg. means "umgerüstet aus". That means the calibre had been changed from 12,7 into 10. E is Eisenbahn, right Sorry, I had it ar$e-about-face, of course. I'd thought 'umgebaut' and not registered the 'aus'. Since - as far as I know - there was no standard 10 cm. gun in German-built WW1 inventory, I'm guessing they were converted to fire captured Russian 10 cm ammunition? Regards, MikB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 23 August , 2015 Share Posted 23 August , 2015 No, the 10cm is a fault. I´ve got another source, that says, the british 12,7cm L/41 was changed into german 10,5cm L/47. See #14 "Schwere Flachfeuer-Geschütze" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiegeGunner Posted 23 August , 2015 Share Posted 23 August , 2015 I'm glad that the evidence seems to be pointing increasingly towards the 12" railway howitzers having been captured during the Spring Offensive, when there would clearly have been opportunities that simply did not exist in 1917. Now we just need to nail down where and when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 23 August , 2015 Share Posted 23 August , 2015 Today I can't do anything. Sitting at the local lake,drinking beer. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikB Posted 23 August , 2015 Share Posted 23 August , 2015 No, the 10cm is a fault. I´ve got another source, that says, the british 12,7cm L/41 was changed into german 10,5cm L/47. See #14 "Schwere Flachfeuer-Geschütze" That's something I didn't know. Do you know whether they used bagged charges and tubes to suit the 60-pr. screw breech, or modified it to use cased propellant? Regards, MikB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 24 August , 2015 Share Posted 24 August , 2015 That's something I didn't know. Do you know whether they used bagged charges and tubes to suit the 60-pr. screw breech, or modified it to use cased propellant? Regards, MikB No. Unfortunately I haven´t found anything in my books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 24 August , 2015 Share Posted 24 August , 2015 Hello! Please have a look here: Captured british railway gun in Lys (France). But I think, it is a 305mm Mk I, isn´t it? http://www.dhm.de/datenbank/dhm.php?seite=5&fld_0=BA163717 I also found a video, in which we see captured british guns (4:30) http://www.filmportal.de/video/bilder-aus-der-grossen-schlacht-3-teil Maybe the german recordings are wrong, and we talk about the 12" Mk I???????? By the way... here are a lot of videos about the Great War: http://www.filmportal.de/videos?subject[]=689 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiegeGunner Posted 24 August , 2015 Share Posted 24 August , 2015 The 12" railway howitzers in the video compilation are the same two shown in the still photo posted earlier by Green Acorn. Until contradicted by authoritative evidence, I continue to think that they are Mk Vs and that the date is after March 1918. Trust you had an enjoyable afternoon, drinking beer by the lake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_acorn Posted 24 August , 2015 Share Posted 24 August , 2015 The 12" railway howitzers in the video compilation are the same two shown in the still photo posted earlier by Green Acorn. Until contradicted by authoritative evidence, I continue to think that they are Mk Vs and that the date is after March 1918. Mick, I have to agree with you. Hendo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 24 August , 2015 Share Posted 24 August , 2015 The 12" railway howitzers in the video compilation are the same two shown in the still photo posted earlier by Green Acorn. Until contradicted by authoritative evidence, I continue to think that they are Mk Vs and that the date is after March 1918. Trust you had an enjoyable afternoon, drinking beer by the lake! I will have a look in the german official recordings of 1918. Maybe the event is mentioned... By the way: Greetings from the lake (the house is the "Villa Hügel" from the family Krupp) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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green_acorn Posted 24 August , 2015 Share Posted 24 August , 2015 Andy, You lucky b********, a pleasant day by the Baldeneysee. Hendo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 24 August , 2015 Share Posted 24 August , 2015 YES! 1 mile from my home... Every single free minute I´m there... The lake is well-known in Australia or did you google it? Well, I´ve checked the artillery lists of the official recordings 1918. None british gun is mentioned in the recorded battles: Great battle of France march, 21 Armentières, april 9 and 10 Chemin des Dames and Reims, may 27 Noyon, june, 9 Marneschutz-Reims, july 15 Soissons and Reims, july 18 Somme and Avre, august 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiegeGunner Posted 24 August , 2015 Share Posted 24 August , 2015 Thanks for the photos, Andy. Interesting to see Villa Hügel too. History and beer go well together! What we need at this point, I think, is a narrative account of the loss of the 12" rail guns from the British perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 24 August , 2015 Share Posted 24 August , 2015 I don´t have any infos about that, sorry. I only know, the battery 1025 was under command of the 2nd army, later 1st army Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ororkep Posted 24 August , 2015 Share Posted 24 August , 2015 I would suggest the two captured 12in Rail Hows are those of 374 Sge Bty. Rgds Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 24 August , 2015 Share Posted 24 August , 2015 Do you have more infos, Paul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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