Seany Posted 21 July , 2015 Share Posted 21 July , 2015 An early birthday present from my Belgian family and willing to do look ups should forum chums wish it. the book is published 1920 and names with photo's, of most, officers,sous-officiers, soldats, marins et civils killed in defence of Belgium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 21 July , 2015 Share Posted 21 July , 2015 Thanks for the offer Seany. I've all but completed the research of this chap, but, on the off-chance that there is something extra (or even a photograph!), could you see if 101/61.678 Sdt.2.Kl. Hubert de Saedeleer (or 'de Sadeleer'... could also be numbered '55706' dependant upon which list is used) is listed, please? He was born in Oultere (Aalter) on 2nd November 1894 and served in the 1ere Regiment de Ligne (1/Linieregiment) until he died of wounds received at Drie Grachten in June 1917. He died in Beveren aan den Yser military hospital on 28th June 1917 and is now buried in de Panne Belgian Military Cemetery. Any info gratefully received! Many thanks Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 21 July , 2015 Share Posted 21 July , 2015 Dave, I assume you know these links: http://www.wardeadregister.be/nl/content/de-saedeleer-1and https://database.namenlijst.be/publicsearch/#/person/_id=603EEB3F-297B-11D2-B12B-BE2CDE1F7030 Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 21 July , 2015 Share Posted 21 July , 2015 Thanks Jan. I hadn't actually seen those links before (it's a few years since I 'completed' my research on this man so haven't really looked for any further information since). Nothing on them to add to what I've already got in this particular case (other than reminding me that I misread 02/11/1894 for 02/01/1894 on some paperwork a while ago!), but certainly useful for possible future reference, so thanks for that! Cheers again, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 21 July , 2015 Share Posted 21 July , 2015 You have the birth place wrong as wel, it's Outer and not Aalter. Interpreting Belgian place names is quite difficult because of the Flemish/French version of the name (and the old spelling). Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 21 July , 2015 Share Posted 21 July , 2015 You have the birth place wrong as wel, it's Outer and not Aalter. Interpreting Belgian place names is quite difficult because of the Flemish/French version of the name (and the old spelling). Jan Wouldn't be the first time that military records and/or stampings on identity discs get it wrong then .... Dave ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seany Posted 21 July , 2015 Author Share Posted 21 July , 2015 Thanks for the offer Seany. I've all but completed the research of this chap, but, on the off-chance that there is something extra (or even a photograph!), could you see if 101/61.678 Sdt.2.Kl. Hubert de Saedeleer (or 'de Sadeleer'... could also be numbered '55706' dependant upon which list is used) is listed, please? He was born in Oultere (Aalter) on 2nd November 1894 and served in the 1ere Regiment de Ligne (1/Linieregiment) until he died of wounds received at Drie Grachten in June 1917. He died in Beveren aan den Yser military hospital on 28th June 1917 and is now buried in de Panne Belgian Military Cemetery. Any info gratefully received! Many thanks Dave Sorry Dave - he's not in the book! under 1ere Regiment de Ligne there are 24 officers photographs but he's not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 21 July , 2015 Share Posted 21 July , 2015 Sorry Dave - he's not in the book! under 1ere Regiment de Ligne there are 24 officers photographs but he's not one of them. Thanks for looking anyway, Sean. It was a long shot but...as they say...if you don't ask! Cheers. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 21 July , 2015 Share Posted 21 July , 2015 Wouldn't be the first time that military records and/or stampings on identity discs get it wrong then .... Dave ... The disc is correct. Oultere (or Oultre) in East-Flanders is nowadays Outer in East-Flanders and not Aalter in East-Flanders (which was then also known as Aeltre in French). Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 21 July , 2015 Share Posted 21 July , 2015 Cheers Jan... Just noticed the 'Aeltre' spelling on a 1917 map for Aalter. That would explain why I couldn't find de Saedeleer's name on the Aalter war memorial, I suppose !!!! Never mind, Ninove is just off the road on my planned route in a couple of weeks, so I might successfully see his name on a memorial (at last!). Oultre/Oultere/Outer is basically a suburb of this town now, I believe? Thanks again. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seany Posted 21 July , 2015 Author Share Posted 21 July , 2015 Cheers Jan... Just noticed the 'Aeltre' spelling on a 1917 map for Aalter. That would explain why I couldn't find de Saedeleer's name on the Aalter war memorial, I suppose !!!! Never mind, Ninove is just off the road on my planned route in a couple of weeks, so I might successfully see his name on a memorial (at last!). Oultre/Oultere/Outer is basically a suburb of this town now, I believe? Thanks again. Dave Ninove is 10km from my families farm in Sint Lievens Esse so I'll see if my brother--in-law can take me there this evening and see if he's on the memorial - if so I'll photograph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 21 July , 2015 Share Posted 21 July , 2015 Thanks Sean. The memorial is attached to the church wall (in Outer) - immediately to the left of the entrance. Cheers. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 21 July , 2015 Share Posted 21 July , 2015 You should try to contact the people here: http://ninove14-18.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seany Posted 21 July , 2015 Author Share Posted 21 July , 2015 Dave - just returned from Ninove. the church was locked up and so couldn't get inside. Checked the war memorial that is outside and photo's taken but looks like just soldiers and refugees from 14-18. I'm assuming its officers on the inside. tried to contact the priest to open but he was celebrating the national holiday somewhere. if you want the photo's of the outside memorial I'll PM them but his name is not on it. apologies - we may try again but I'm scheduled to go with Mrs Seany and the two little Seany's to the Gentse Feesten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 21 July , 2015 Share Posted 21 July , 2015 Thanks anyway Seany.... saves me a slight detour. (He wasn't an officer by the way.... just a rock bottom Soldaat 2.Kl. ) Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seany Posted 22 July , 2015 Author Share Posted 22 July , 2015 Thanks anyway Seany.... saves me a slight detour. (He wasn't an officer by the way.... just a rock bottom Soldaat 2.Kl. ) Dave. that explains him not having a photograph with the officers in the book - I thought him a lieutenant - there are very few names on the outside war memorial so hopefully he is on the inside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seany Posted 22 July , 2015 Author Share Posted 22 July , 2015 Thanks anyway Seany.... saves me a slight detour. (He wasn't an officer by the way.... just a rock bottom Soldaat 2.Kl. ) Dave. we went back this evening - my brother in law said it was the wrong church so not the one in Ninove but in Outer which I thought was Ninove - he is on the memorial - do you want photos here or to an email address - pm me and let me know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seany Posted 24 July , 2015 Author Share Posted 24 July , 2015 here he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 24 July , 2015 Share Posted 24 July , 2015 Thanks for that Seany. Much appreciated. Dave, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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