trajan Posted 20 April , 2015 Share Posted 20 April , 2015 Does anyone out there have one of these? They were originally intended along with their Mauser M.1907 rifles to go to China but never got there apparently owing to a revolution in that country. And so rifles and bayonets went to the three or six (sources differ on the number) reserve battalions formed in late 1914 out of the Garde Korps and the III and IV AK instead, before being passed on the Turks during late 1915 (or early 1916?). A photograph (Carter III, p.198) bears out issue to the Reserve Infantry Regiment 261, and a literary source (Storz, 242-243) confirms issue to the RIR 262, while the RIR 252 is indicated by a unit-marked example (Carter above). I have never seen one in the flesh, but Carter has a photograph and Kiesling (2nd edition, p. 98, no. 575) shows a drawing. It has a 28.6 cm double edged blade (rather like a P.1888(!) but no mid-rib), a handle with rivetted grips, and a sloped pommel like a Gottscho S.14 Type 2. Well, I know what to look for - in theory at least! - but given that there were apparently perhaps as many as 10,000 around for use in Germany some may have ended up with GWF members (although if they went to the Turks then any surviving examples probably went from there to the USA...), and if so, it would be nice to see a better photograph! TIA, Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyH Posted 21 April , 2015 Share Posted 21 April , 2015 Trajan, From page 261 'German Sidearms and Bayonets 1740-1945' by Klaus Lubbe 2000. Caption to 309:- Bayonet for the Haenel rifle 1907, Manufacturer C.G.Haenel, Suhl. Overall length: 405 mm, blade length 285 mm, steel scabbard. Caption to 310:- Chinese bayonet M 1907, Overall length 407 mm, blade length 285 mm, Steel Scabbard. The book is more an identification and value guide and has very little historical information or background. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 22 April , 2015 Author Share Posted 22 April , 2015 From page 261 'German Sidearms and Bayonets 1740-1945' by Klaus Lubbe 2000. Thanks for those Mike. I know of that book but don't have it... BTW, Lubbe did a lot of work with Carter on bayonet ID's, and so should be ok on these. Interesting to see there are side screws holding the springs in on the scabbard for the Chinese one. Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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