trajan Posted 9 January , 2016 Author Share Posted 9 January , 2016 Thanks Mick, Looks to be a nice piece - but I'll say no more until we have heard from SS who seems to have or have seen more Australian bayonets than the rest of us! Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 11 January , 2016 Author Share Posted 11 January , 2016 .. I'll say no more until we have heard from SS who seems to have or have seen more Australian bayonets than the rest of us! Surprised SS hasn't picked up on this one yet! Perhaps you should send him a PM... I see nothing obviously wrong with the markings, and so this looks to be a 1914 Lithgow with its quillon still on and so a rare beast... There is something more here - http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=224409 LF is another person who knows these better than me so hopefully he'll have a look. I am confused, though, by the scabbard locket markings... I can see what might be 'M D' but as I understand it there should be a number before that; and what is confusing to this POF who freely confesses that he does not know the material at all well, then comes an asterisk before the 'serial' number... Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickjam Posted 25 January , 2016 Share Posted 25 January , 2016 Here is another hookie i have just aquired,Chapman 1911 ,stamped 1md and ausie marking on pommel. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 25 January , 2016 Share Posted 25 January , 2016 Here is another hookie i have just aquired,Chapman 1911 ,stamped 1md and ausie marking on pommel Mick Mick, Your J. Chapman made 1907 Pattern Sword Bayonet with Hooked Quillon attached, was issued in November 1911, and has Australian pommel markings. The ' Broad Arrow within a D ' is the Australian, Land Service mark, and the ' 1. M.D. ' is the Australian mark for the 1st Military District ( Northern Command, Queensland ). 9370, is the bayonet's serial number. In all, a very nice bayonet. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 25 January , 2016 Author Share Posted 25 January , 2016 I think that's Queensland isn't it? But isn't that a high number for Queensland? Whatever, JMB would love the have the weight details! Trajan EDIT: LF's came in as I was writing - so Queensland it is! BUT, what date are those D/broad arrow marks on the pommel? I get the feeling there is quite some variety in these Aussie markings, with Military Districts being established early on before the GW, and yet there is no consistency, i.e., V for Victoria serial markings from the GW period, not MD markings for these... So, when did these D/broad arrow markings start to be used - bearing in mind HQ's are still around in the Antipodes in WW2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jscott Posted 25 January , 2016 Share Posted 25 January , 2016 Mick Thats an interesting one - I think the 1MD 9XXX marking looks about right. I have a few early Queensland marked 1907s with the sold out of service and "Q" markings, which would pre-date yours, and one 1912 Chapman with a 1MD14XXX number (from memory) which would be close to contemporaneous. I have previously posted photos of this bayonet - from memory in the "Australian Bayonets" thread started by S>S. The 1MD marking on my bayonet is on the cross guard, and the bayonet has a sold from service marking on the ricasso (which is an odd location). The odd thing about yours is the D marking. My understanding is that this was a later marking (although the short tail on yours makes it the first type of this later marking - the tail was later extended). Anyway, seems like the Queenslanders (and Australians in general) were pretty loose with their markings so there's probably a very good explanation. Lovely bayonet - thanks for sharing. Jonathan PS. Is there a sold out of service marking on the bayonet anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 26 January , 2016 Share Posted 26 January , 2016 The odd thing about yours is the D marking. My understanding is that this was a later marking (although the short tail on yours makes it the first type of this later marking - the tail was later extended). Jonathan Jonathan, Here is an enlargement of the Australian, Land Service mark on the pommel of my Enfield made Pattern 1907 Sword Bayonet with the Hooked Quillon attached, which was issued in September 1911, and is shown in the previous post # 10. It has no ' sold out of service ' mark. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Upton Posted 26 January , 2016 Share Posted 26 January , 2016 Here is another hookie i have just aquired,Chapman 1911 ,stamped 1md and ausie marking on pommel. CHAPMAN 1911 5.jpgCHAPMAN HOOK 5.jpgCHAPMAN HOOK 9.jpg Another good example of a very late acceptance date/first issue mark compared to when it was probably made as well, with the blade being ER marked (for Edward VII, died May 1910) but the first date not being applied until 18 months later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 26 January , 2016 Author Share Posted 26 January , 2016 Another good example of a very late acceptance date/first issue mark compared to when it was probably made as well, with the blade being ER marked (for Edward VII, died May 1910) but the first date not being applied until 18 months later. Well spotted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickjam Posted 26 January , 2016 Share Posted 26 January , 2016 Mick Thats an interesting one - I think the 1MD 9XXX marking looks about right. I have a few early Queensland marked 1907s with the sold out of service and "Q" markings, which would pre-date yours, and one 1912 Chapman with a 1MD14XXX number (from memory) which would be close to contemporaneous. I have previously posted photos of this bayonet - from memory in the "Australian Bayonets" thread started by S>S. The 1MD marking on my bayonet is on the cross guard, and the bayonet has a sold from service marking on the ricasso (which is an odd location). The odd thing about yours is the D marking. My understanding is that this was a later marking (although the short tail on yours makes it the first type of this later marking - the tail was later extended). Anyway, seems like the Queenslanders (and Australians in general) were pretty loose with their markings so there's probably a very good explanation. Lovely bayonet - thanks for sharing. Jonathan PS. Is there a sold out of service marking on the bayonet anywhere? Hi Jonathan There is no sold out of service mark visible. Cheers Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickjam Posted 26 January , 2016 Share Posted 26 January , 2016 Mick, Your J. Chapman made 1907 Pattern Sword Bayonet with Hooked Quillon attached, was issued in November 1911, and has Australian pommel markings. The ' Broad Arrow within a D ' is the Australian, Land Service mark, and the ' 1. M.D. ' is the Australian mark for the 1st Military District ( Northern Command, Queensland ). 9370, is the bayonet's serial number. In all, a very nice bayonet. Regards, LF Thanks for all the great info LF. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 26 January , 2016 Share Posted 26 January , 2016 Thanks for all the great info LF. Mick Mick, Pleased to help. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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