headgardener Posted 30 January , 2015 Share Posted 30 January , 2015 This is the inscription on the back of one of my photos: The only Japanese liner that I can find that was sunk shortly before the Armistice was the Hirano Maru (torpedoed on 4 October 1918), in which case 'the channel' refers to St. George's Channel. Here's the man himself: He looks like a colonial type in a plantation of some kind. I can't find any reference to anyone called Holmes who died around this date. I assume that he was a British civilian, and that British civilian passengers on foreign ships are not recorded on CWGC. What I'm trying to establish is: was the 'japanese liner' actually the Hirano Maru? where was the ship sailing from, and where was it going to? are there any sources for researching this man? (passenger lists, and the like) Many thanks for any help or advice.....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 30 January , 2015 Share Posted 30 January , 2015 http://uboat.net/wwi/ships_hit/2866.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGM Posted 30 January , 2015 Share Posted 30 January , 2015 There is a Mr J HOLMES, British, in the list of deceased, lost when the Hirano Maru sank on 4th October 1918. CGM Edited to add Mr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headgardener Posted 31 January , 2015 Author Share Posted 31 January , 2015 http://uboat.net/wwi/ships_hit/2866.html There is a Mr J HOLMES, British, in the list of deceased, lost when the Hirano Maru sank on 4th October 1918 Thank you both, Horatio and CGM......! I'd love to find out a bit more about him if possible. CGM - where did that detail come from? That's exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for. It appears to confirm that the initial of his first name was 'J' (it's hard to tell from the handwritten annotation on the card). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGM Posted 31 January , 2015 Share Posted 31 January , 2015 I found it on Findmypast, under Deaths at Sea. If you have access you can see it HERE The information is all that is in the register - two really empty pages with just a list of names. The Captain is identified. There is an occasional age or town. And nationality. CGM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esskay Posted 2 February , 2015 Share Posted 2 February , 2015 In "died at sea" notices in the Lancashire Evening Post he is referred to as James Holmes aged 47 - dearly beloved husband of Amelia Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esskay Posted 2 February , 2015 Share Posted 2 February , 2015 He is shown on the passenger list as travelling 2nd class to Capetown - a builder. The vessel is shown as leaving from Birkenhead/Liverpool going to Japan. Intended disembarkation ports apart from Capetown were listed as Durban, Singapore,Hong Kong, Shanghai, Kobe and Yokohama Looks to have arrived in London from Capetown on 31/12/1916 - also showing as a builder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headgardener Posted 2 February , 2015 Author Share Posted 2 February , 2015 I found it on Findmypast, under Deaths at Sea. If you have access you can see it HERE The information is all that is in the register - two really empty pages with just a list of names. The Captain is identified. There is an occasional age or town. And nationality. Many thanks for that, CGM. I don't have FMP, so I very much appreciate you checking on my behalf. In "died at sea" notices in the Lancashire Evening Post he is referred to as James Holmes aged 47 - dearly beloved husband of Amelia Holmes He is shown on the passenger list as travelling 2nd class to Capetown - a builder. The vessel is shown as leaving from Birkenhead/Liverpool going to Japan. Intended disembarkation ports apart from Capetown were listed as Durban, Singapore,Hong Kong, Shanghai, Kobe and Yokohama Looks to have arrived in London from Capetown on 31/12/1916 - also showing as a builder Esskay - that's excellent! Thanks for these details. The Lancashire address on the back of the card fits with the Lancashire Evening News cutting, and with the departure/arrival at Birkenhead. Interesting that he was a builder, judging by the photo I was assuming that he ran a plantation in the far east. Perhaps he was on a hunting expedition instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headgardener Posted 2 February , 2015 Author Share Posted 2 February , 2015 On the basis of the information that Esskay just posted, I've found a very obscure reference to him online - a small-ad in the 'British Bee Journal & Bee-Keepers Advisor' dated 9 May 1918, to be precise. Evidently he was a bee-keeper, as well as maybe being interested in big-game. Seems that he was selling some hives: "TWO Stocks Italian Bees, 10 frames, Claridge'sdirect, W.B.C. pattern Hive, home-made, newcondition, £5 10s.; one Stock Simmins' Italian, 10frames, and Hive as above, £5 10s; one StockHybrids, Queen direct from Simmins, and Hive asabove, £4 10s; all packed fxee on rail.— JAMESHOLMES, Sunnyside, Priory Lane, Penwortham,near Preston." As an aside, it seems that the 'British Bee Journal & Bee-Keepers Advisor' published a regular 'Roll of Honour' - I checked from October-December 1918 but unfortunately James Holmes wasn't on it. The journal claims that: "Although bee-keeping is considered aminor pursuit, we venture to say that ithas provided more fighting men than theusual average of any industry." Well I never knew that....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_history_buff Posted 22 January , 2020 Share Posted 22 January , 2020 An interesting character who perished, a passenger on the ship Johnston, Mr Charles McGarel (agriculture, ornithology) Born: 3 May 1876, Co Antrim, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom. Died: 4 October 1918, at sea, off the Irish coast. http://www.s2a3.org.za/bio/Biograph_final.php?serial=1455 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_history_buff Posted 22 January , 2020 Share Posted 22 January , 2020 Quote The Hirano-Maru was a Japanese merchant ship operating in the Japan-Europe trade, having been built in 1908. On October 4, 1918, while en route from Liverpool to Yokohama, she was torpedoed in the Irish Sea during a strong hale by U-91. She sank quickly ... some say five minutes, others say seven. The seas were high and no lifeboats could be gotten away, all being smashed against the sides of the ship. There are varying reports of the number of people lost, but it appears that about 292 of the 320 people aboard perished. More people could probably have been saved, but initial rescue efforts by the escorting USS Sterrett had to be temporarily halted so the escort could go chase away the sub, which was attempting to torpedo it during rescue operations. http://civiliansandwarsatsea.blogspot.com/2014/05/hirano-maru-4-october-1918.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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