davermf Posted 9 December , 2014 Share Posted 9 December , 2014 Hi all I dont know if im in the correct section but he goes im researching my ggfather who served with the rmf before and during the war.On the 1911 cenus he is with 1st batt Rmf in Nowshera India. He is a 24 yr old Pte.His name is John murphy from cork.During the war he lost his toes to trenchfoot he surived the war and lived till the age of 75. I do not know his army no. I would like to know If anyone could help me in my research. Thanking you Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted 9 December , 2014 Share Posted 9 December , 2014 To you have his service number by any chance? There are 11 John Murphy's on the SWB roll alone from Munsters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted 9 December , 2014 Share Posted 9 December , 2014 Sorry, just saw that you don't know his number. He was 24 years old on 1911 Census? That's good info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davermf Posted 9 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 9 December , 2014 Hi thanks for the reply I dont have a service number i think he may have been a corporal later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted 9 December , 2014 Share Posted 9 December , 2014 Hi Dave, I think I found him on the SWB roll. I checked all of the 11 and only 8510, Sergeant John Murphy service details would suite if he appears 1911 Census age 24. Rest of them enlisted during the war or wasn't close enough age. One enlisted 1912 and one John enlisted 1901 so can't be him as well. looks like he was some moment attached to King's Africa Rifles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted 9 December , 2014 Share Posted 9 December , 2014 MIC shows that he landed in Gallipoli at 25th April 1915. He became entitled 15 Star, British War medal, Victory Medal and Silver War Badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davermf Posted 9 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 9 December , 2014 Wow thanks!! One thing i was told by my grand mother that he lost his toes during the war and the army made him a special boot so he could walk.... Just on the roll of names he isnt wounded when discharged.. Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tharkin56 Posted 9 December , 2014 Share Posted 9 December , 2014 before he left for the front he was stationed in Coventry with the rest of the RMF they were stationed in Earlsdon, Coventry the other men of the 29th division in other parts of coventry. they left for gallipoli and came into Coventry from India. I have various named photos of men of the RMF no Murphy though, he would have been with Congreve when he won his VC. Seeing his colleagues stuck, he pulled out the post holding the barbed wire in place with his bare hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFBSM Posted 10 December , 2014 Share Posted 10 December , 2014 Dave, I have found this in the Casualty Lists for 8510, Sgt John Murphy: Forename J, Surname Murphy, Casualty Status Wounded, Rank Sergeant, Service Number 8510, Regiment Royal Munster Fusiliers, Home Town / Place of Enlistment Listowel, Daily List Date 26th September 1917, List Number No. 5374, Part Number Part 8, Category WO's, NCO's and Men, Source WO Casualty Lists Also do you have his father's details please, I am looking at Militia Attestations on FindMyPast. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davermf Posted 10 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 10 December , 2014 Thanks mark and tharkin56 My ggfather was a cork city man as on the 1911 cenus hes birth place was noted as st annes parish cork and listowel is in kerry.. I think from looking at 1901 cenus in ireland his fathers name is micheal and mothers name ellen Thanks again Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFBSM Posted 10 December , 2014 Share Posted 10 December , 2014 Thanks mark and tharkin56 My ggfather was a cork city man as on the 1911 cenus hes birth place was noted as st annes parish cork and listowel is in kerry.. I think from looking at 1901 cenus in ireland his fathers name is micheal and mothers name ellen Thanks again Dave Dave, I am sorry I was unable to find anything relevant in the Militia Documents available on FindMyPast. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted 10 December , 2014 Share Posted 10 December , 2014 Hi, A, that's a pity now but looks like SWB list of John Murphy's do not help. Perhaps some another forum member can have a second look. Only 11 names to check so this do not take a long. Only thing is - he may be served a short time on the other unit (garrison duties - not fit for front line) some period of time before he was discharged. In this case name like John Murphy is way too common to trace. Maybe better approach is start looking unit lists who served in India at this time (1911) and maybe it is possible to narrow his service number down this way? Anyway, good luck of your research! I can help more after next week when my exams are done! Oh, I do not look forward of them but has to be done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davermf Posted 10 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 10 December , 2014 Thanks guys I was looking on ancestry today and the records for 1st batt Rmf in Nowshera India only go to 1909 Does anyone know if there is records up to 1914? Tks Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davermf Posted 13 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 13 December , 2014 Hi all Thanks so much for the help so far but, Does anyone know if there are records from the Rmf in India around 1911 or Burma 1912 Ancestry dont seem to have any... still having no luck in tracing my ggfather in ww1 but as i said earlier from 1911 cenus he is in India Tks all Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFBSM Posted 13 December , 2014 Share Posted 13 December , 2014 Dave, You could look here for some information or leads to other sources: http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php/1st_Bengal_(European)_Fusiliers. Another possible source is the British Library which holds most of the records of the British Army in India during the period of the Raj: http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelpregion/asia/india/indiaofficerecords/indiaofficehub.html This link take you to a page with a number oflinksto images you may find interesting: http://www.royalmunsterfusiliers.org/a2fotran.htm Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davermf Posted 13 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 13 December , 2014 Fair play Mark, Thats brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davermf Posted 20 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 20 December , 2014 Thanks for all the replys, I recently tracked down j murphy births,marrage and death certs. Can i use or were can i use these to track him down? I have used ancestry but with no results.. Thanks all Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davermf Posted 29 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 29 December , 2014 Hi all Did anyone of you guys do a search on a soldier and found notting on them? I have been looking now for a year and notting which is a shame.Can anyone point me in another direction please.. Thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFBSM Posted 30 December , 2014 Share Posted 30 December , 2014 Dave, Have you tried the Battalion War Diaries? It is possible that he gets a mention as a Sergeant, he probably won't as a Private, but they are always worth a try, and they can provide you with much information on the Battalions activities. They are available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r/?discoveryCustomSearch=true&_q=1+Royal+Munsters&_ser=WO+95&_col=online. There are three groups of files each costing £3.30, so a total of £9.90. You will also find them at http://www.nmarchive.com/main-diary-result/page/0/division-all/brigade-all/regiment-munster-fusiliers-royal/battalion-1st-battalion/title-all/pieceno-all/fromdate-all/todate-all/title-all/pieceno-all/fromdate-all/todate-all, which is a subscription site, with varying rates depending on your needs/wants. I have also just found that he was Mentioned in Despatches in 1917: First Name: J Surname: Murphy Rank: Private Service Number: 8510 Gazette Info: Gazette issue 29890. Mentioned in Despatches by General Sir Douglas Haig, G.C.B., Commander-in-Chief of the British Armies in France, to the Secretary of State for War, for distinguished and gallant services and devotion to duty. Gazette Date: 01/2/1917 Gazette Page: 240 Duty Location: FRANCE https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29890/supplement/240 Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davermf Posted 1 February , 2015 Author Share Posted 1 February , 2015 Thanks guys for the help I really don't think this j Murphy 8510 is my ggdad as this guys place of enlistment is lismore Kerry And my ggdad was born in cork. I recently found his birth and marriage certs after a visit to Dublin records Could I find out more with this information? Is so could anyone let me know Thanks all Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFBSM Posted 1 February , 2015 Share Posted 1 February , 2015 Dave, Could you post John's father's name, and the name of his spouse? These are often written in the attestation documents and can help refine searches. I am looking again. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davermf Posted 1 February , 2015 Author Share Posted 1 February , 2015 Mark thank you His fathers name is Cornelius His spouse name Margaret Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davermf Posted 7 February , 2015 Author Share Posted 7 February , 2015 Hi all Those anyone know or have a passenger manifest for the SS Clyde around April 1915 as 1st batt RMF where aboard heading for Gallipoli. I would like to confirm my ggdad was on board or not. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staunton Posted 7 February , 2015 Share Posted 7 February , 2015 Best source for that would be 1914 1915 Star Medal roll......date 25 April 1915 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murrough Posted 7 February , 2015 Share Posted 7 February , 2015 I am posting image in case it is your G/F but I think it may not be ,the address is not correct.This was published in the Irish Examiner in December 1915.I have some 200 images of men mainly from Munster,if anyone wants a lookup. I will be happy to oblige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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