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Same man, different SWB & MIC numbers?


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Looking at a potential Seale Hayne patient I found a SWB card & Roll for:

337131 Pte. Henry Preston. 1st West Lancs. FA, RAMC. Discharged 26/3/18.

I could not find a MIC or Medal roll for this man despite him having overseas service. He is on casualty list twice, both RAMC.

However, I think I now have his MIC & Medal Roll under:

1483 Pte. Henry Preston. RAMC. Although discharge date is out by one day. There is no SWB to 1483 Pte. Henry Preston. RAMC

Just to add some interest!, there is another Henry Preston on the same RAMC medal roll with number 1333. Discharged 15/3/19 (MIC). And I’m pretty sure on the SWB roll he is listed under 337065 1st West Lancs. RAMC. Again, the date of discharge is one day out.

Both men have a theatre date of 15/3/15 Egypt and both were in 1st West Lancs. FA, RAMC. Their 1914-15 Stars are to the four digit number.

Is it normal for the MIC and Medal rolls to show an early four digit number while a SWB roll shows a later number? I think these 2 men are territorials so presumably were re-numbered spring 1917?

TEW

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Is it normal for the MIC and Medal rolls to show an early four digit number while a SWB roll shows a later number? I think these 2 men are territorials so presumably were re-numbered spring 1917?

Not common but I've seen the SWB number differ before but not very often - usually for men who where discharged late 1916/early 1917. The 6 digit number was allocated to the man but not issued fully before he left the army and for some reason some records had the old number and some had the later 6 digit number that had been provisionally allocated to the man.

Still chasing down the elusive private preston ?

Craig

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Snipped TEW....

Still chasing down the elusive private preston ?

Craig

I intend to winkle him out from under his bed!!!!

337131 Pte. Henry Preston is the right age, according to SWB roll was 20ys & 2 mths old on 26/3/18. But has a 1914-15 star for overseas service from 31/3/15 so must have been overseas under age.

'Private Preston' was supposedly wounded in June 1917 and again immediately on re-joining his unit on 31/8/17. Looked through all Private Prestons on the casualty lists for any wounded twice and found three. 337131 Preston's casualties show on daily lists of 30/8/17 & 4/10/17, not exactly the dates I was hoping for but another diary to trawl through in the hope of corroborating his story with dates, locations and events. Or just eliminate another Preston off the list!

TEW

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337131 Pte. Henry Preston is the right age, according to SWB roll was 20ys & 2 mths old on 26/3/18. But has a 1914-15 star for overseas service from 31/3/15 so must have been overseas under age.

A man could proceed overseas under the normal age with the consent of the MO & CO - possibly likely to happen more often in a medical unit than an infantry unit.

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Thanks for that. Appears thegenealogist have not done all the casualty lists for 1917 yet. I noticed an abundance of Prestons August-December 1917 and only a handful for March-May 1917 and none for June July. Had thought a wounding June 1917 should show up either July/ Early Aug 1917, assuming it will show up at all.

TEW

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337131 Preston's casualties show on daily lists of 30/8/17 & 4/10/17

The daily lists often listed men weeks and sometimes months after the injury occurred - certainly in 1915 I have men wounded in April 1915 not appearing on lists until September 1915 (and they had gone straight down the casualty chain after being wounded).

Craig

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Then there's 202942 Private Preston RWK and 241853 Private Preston KORL to contend with as well, both double casualties. Would still would like to see the June/July 1917 list.

Have just noticed that 337131 Preston's enlistment date and his discharge age makes him just over 16 at enlistment and just over 17 on entry to theatre.

Will add some ancestry links to 337131 & 1483 SWBs & MICs etc. Would still like confirmation the records show the same man. Can't see how else a regt. number on SWB does not show on medal records and regt. number shown on medal records don't show on SWB even when the discharge dates on MIC concurs with SWB (almost).

TEW

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So, is 1483 and 337131 Preston one and the same man?? Bear in mind 1333 / 337065 Henry Preston's records follow the same pattern and is the same FA unit.

337131 Pte. Henry Preston. SWB Card

337131 Pte. Henry Preston SWB Roll

1483 Pte Henry Preston MIC

1483 Pte Henry Preston Medal Roll BWM & Vict Also shows 1333 Pte. Henry Preston

1483 Pte Henry Preston 1914-14 Star Roll Also shows 1333 Pte. Henry Preston

TEW

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Will add some ancestry links to 337131 & 1483 SWBs & MICs etc. Would still like confirmation the records show the same man

I'd think it would be safe to say that 1483 & 337131 are the same man:

(from the medal index cards)

1468 > 337120

1483 > 337131

1489 > 337135

1493 > 337138

Craig

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Well well, he went through it a bit!!

Going to have to get the 87th Field Ambulance diary.

Many Thanks

TEW

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