Willywombat Posted 2 November , 2014 Author Share Posted 2 November , 2014 Just a note to all contributors... I am very grateful for all your hard work and input so far. Your efforts are making the job so much easier, with about 150 names in total to research. THANKYOU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 2 November , 2014 Share Posted 2 November , 2014 Bob, You might not realize that I'm the person who has indexed the Graphics 1914-1919 for solidiers, some 7500 names and been posting some when requested See http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?show-topic=194623&hl=%2Bpictured+%2Bthe+%2Bgraphic The full downloadable list can now be found on the Glos Archives site at http://www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/archives/article/116632/Information-sheets-about-Gloucestershire-in-WW1-compiled-by-other-researchers I'm at the archives on Tues and will see what images I can get for you Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willywombat Posted 2 November , 2014 Author Share Posted 2 November , 2014 Dave, Wow! That's amazing! It's your list that I obtained the above references from, then. Perhaps I can meet you there? Let me pm you. Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 3 November , 2014 Share Posted 3 November , 2014 I'm happy to have a go with the Medal Rolls CD Rom - how does the 129 Battery service numbers sequence run? Looks like 1?? 291??? ...I'm surprised he doesn't have a service number in the 129 Battery series?? .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 3 November , 2014 Share Posted 3 November , 2014 Not sure but he has that 291 prefix... Campaign Medal Rolls 1914-1919 Prime Unit Royal Garrison Artillery Medal Awarded British War Medal and Victory Medal Forename George Surname Williams Number 291685 Rank Gnr. Previous Service Base Details RGA 143 Gnr 21. Williams, George. Gunner, RGA. Enlisted May 1915. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willywombat Posted 3 November , 2014 Author Share Posted 3 November , 2014 Simon, That would give him the three-digit service number of 143. Which fits into the sequence nicely: 138 291680 139 291681 140 291682 141 291683 142 291684 143 291685 144 291686 145 291687 146 291688 147 291689 Yes - got to be him! Somehow, I missed out that number in my searching. You've got him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 3 November , 2014 Share Posted 3 November , 2014 I've a feeling that Frederick J is RGA and in the same sequence. Will check when I get home. Waiting in a car park for a flu jab... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willywombat Posted 3 November , 2014 Author Share Posted 3 November , 2014 Simon, I'd be surprised - Frederick J was a recall in August 1914, rather than a May 1915 volunteer. The numbering sequence for the May 1915 volunteers is as follows (those without names were issued to named Gloucestershire Constabulary men; those with names next to them are not Gloucestershire Constabulary men): 2 291554 William Henry Jenkins 3 291555 (no trace) 4 291556 5 291557 6 291558 7 291559 Ernest Ward 8 291560 William Timms 9 291561 Sidney G Taylor 10 291562 Samuel Gough 11 291563 Alfred E Hooper 12 291564 Neil Gow 13 291565 Frederick Tooze 14 291566 Henry John Ashford 15 291567 William Bale 16 291568 (no trace) 17 291569 William Hughes 96 291639 Alistair McFarlane 97 291640 (no trace) 98 291641 William S Hendy 99 291642 Harry C Robbins 100 291643 Joseph Bax 101 291644 102 291645 103 291646 104 291647 Charles Jones 105 291648 106 291649 107 291650 108 291651 109 291652 110 291653 (no trace) 111 291654 Frederick Lee 112 291655 (no trace) 113 291656 Edward T Hobbs 114 291657 Harry Gazzard 115 Long number never issued (deceased) 116 291658 117 291659 118 291660 119 291661 120 291662 121 291663 122 291664 123 291665 124 291666 125 291667 126 291668 127 291669 128 291670 129 291671 130 291672 131 291673 132 291674 133 291675 134 291676 135 291677 136 291678 137 291679 138 291680 139 291681 140 291682 141 291683 142 291684 143 291685 144 291686 145 291687 146 291688 147 291689 148 291690 149 291691 Percy Raymond Spiers 150 291692 151 291693 152 291694 153 291695 154 291696 155 291697 156 291698 William J Squire 157 291699 158 291700 159 291701 160 291702 161 291703 (no trace) 162 291704 163 291705 164 291706 165 291707 Arthur C Young 166 291708 Percival H Lovelace 167 291709 Alfred J Wintle 168 291710 Edward G Welsh 169 291711 George Margrie 170 291712 James Harold Montague 171 291713 Percy B Copp 172 291714 (no trace) 173 291715 174 291716 William Mitchell 175 291717 Richard A Murch 176 291718 (no trace) 177 291719 Frank Skidmore 178 291720 Frank Simpson 179 291721 Frederick William Collins 180 291722 Henry Facey 181 291723 John William Prescott 182 291724 Sidney Brown 183 291725 Fred Hearneman 184 291726 William Fricker 185 291727 Geroge Edward Hilling 186 291727 George E Hilling 187 291728 188 291729 Alfred V Morris 189 291730 Frederick W Snell 190 291731 191 291732 Herbert William May 236 291776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 3 November , 2014 Share Posted 3 November , 2014 Quite right - memory playing me false... I thought this was him but I will have another look....Great data! Prime Unit Royal Garrison Artillery Medal Awarded British War Medal and Victory Medal Forename Frederick James Surname Williams Number 291580 Rank Gnr. Previous Service Base Dtls. RGA 30 Gnr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willywombat Posted 3 November , 2014 Author Share Posted 3 November , 2014 Good call, but he definitely rejoined earlier, according to this article in the Glos Journal, 24th October 1914: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willywombat Posted 3 November , 2014 Author Share Posted 3 November , 2014 The following are the 'Frederick J Williams' who are on the medal rolls for the RGA. Presumably, we can immediately eliminate some of them from being 1914 recalls by their service numbers? That said, all of them are Gunners - not a Sergeant amongst them! Gnr Williams Frederick James Royal Garrison Artillery 218576 Gnr Williams Frederick James Royal Garrison Artillery 291580 Gnr Williams Frederick James Royal Garrison Artillery 292514 Gnr Williams Frederick James Lye Royal Garrison Artillery 122456 Gnr Williams Frederick John Royal Garrison Artillery 21649 Gnr Williams Frederick John Royal Garrison Artillery 62998 Gnr Williams Frederick Joseph Royal Garrison Artillery 128437 Gnr Williams Frederick Joseph Royal Garrison Artillery 218554 If we just look at 'Williams, Frederick' (without the 'J'), we have the following. At least there's a Sergeant there, but I'm still not convinced! Gnr Williams Frederick Royal Garrison Artillery 202136 Gnr Williams Frederick Royal Garrison Artillery 91054 Sgt Williams Frederick Royal Garrison Artillery 282347 Gnr Williams Frederick Royal Garrison Artillery 338053 Gnr Williams Frederick Royal Garrison Artillery 155732 Gnr Williams Frederick Royal Garrison Artillery 34545 Gnr Williams Frederick Royal Garrison Artillery 66187 The nagging doubt I have is that whilst the above newspaper report states he is RGA, the memorial says RFA. Perhaps we should be looking for 1914 Stars amongst the RFA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 3 November , 2014 Share Posted 3 November , 2014 Williams, initial F RFA RHA 1914 Star - no 'F J' results no 'Frederick' Williams, F, 9727, Gunner, Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery, 45th Brigade Royal Field Artillery., 1914 Star. Williams, F, 18371, Corporal, Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery, 35th Brigade Royal Field Artillery., 1914 Star. Williams, F, 25004, Wheeler Corpl., Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery, 23rd Brigade Royal Field Artillery 1914 Star. Williams, F, 28479, Driver, Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery, 39th Brigade Royal Field Artillery., 1914 Star. Williams, F, 29835, Corpl., Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery, 3rd Brigade, Royal Horse Artillery., 1914 Star. Williams, F, 40355, Driver, Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery, 40th Brigade Royal Field Artillery., 1914 Star. Williams, F, 44500, Gunner, Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery, 42nd Brigade Royal Field Artillery., 1914 Star. Williams, F, 49740, Corporal, Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery, 25th Brigade Royal Field Artillery., 1914 Star. Williams, F, 62731, Driver, Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery, 22nd Brigade Royal Field Artillery., 1914 Star. Williams, F, 67373, Gunner, Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery, 43rd Brigade Royal Field Artillery., 1914 Star. Williams, F C, 14954, Driver, Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery, 22nd Brigade Royal Field Artillery., 1914 Star. Williams, F H, 34573, Driver, Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery, 30th Brigade Royal Field Artillery., 1914 Star. Williams, F N, 5478, Sergeant, Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery, 44th Brigade Royal Field Artillery., 1914 Star. Williams, F W, 51054, Gunner, Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery, 18th Brigade, 1914 Star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 3 November , 2014 Share Posted 3 November , 2014 He's listed here too (with PC Moss RN!) in the Chelt Chronicle 5th August - still no unit! Could we presume he's a local RFA territorial battery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willywombat Posted 3 November , 2014 Author Share Posted 3 November , 2014 My knowledge of what the recalls were required to do isn't sufficient to say... - if he's a recall, wouldn't he more likely to go to a regular unit? He's a bit of a difficult one, isn't he? Perhaps an RFA expert might be able to help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 3 November , 2014 Share Posted 3 November , 2014 Might be worth seeing if Dick Flory has any insights - might be worth PMing him a link to the thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart rowles Posted 4 November , 2014 Share Posted 4 November , 2014 Thanks for the pictures of the panel with the name ROWLES. Most welcome. I don't know why I typed the phrase 'smashed up'. Or maybe I do! I has just been reading the articles on the Prestbury War Memorial being smashed up by vandals. I just couldn't get this mindless vandalism out of my head. I think we all know what we would do with them if we caught them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackblue Posted 4 November , 2014 Share Posted 4 November , 2014 Being a Reservist would usually mean ex Regular or perhaps Special Reserve. More here: http://www.1914-1918.net/reserve.htm Rgds Tim D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willywombat Posted 4 November , 2014 Author Share Posted 4 November , 2014 Thanks for the pictures of the panel with the name ROWLES. Most welcome. I don't know why I typed the phrase 'smashed up'. Or maybe I do! I has just been reading the articles on the Prestbury War Memorial being smashed up by vandals. I just couldn't get this mindless vandalism out of my head. I think we all know what we would do with them if we caught them. No problem! I believe one of the men on the police memorial is also on the Prestbury one, so I, too, had an interest. This is off topic, but it's my thread (so there!): Actually, the vandalism had an unintended benefit in that lots of money was donated by well-wishers, then a company offered to do the repairs for free. The money raised was then used to research and add the WW2 names! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 4 November , 2014 Share Posted 4 November , 2014 A few more tantalysing details... Glos Journal 6/7/46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willywombat Posted 4 November , 2014 Author Share Posted 4 November , 2014 Fan - bloomin' - tastic! You get a bonio for that one, Simon! Right - well that seems to confirm that we are definitely talking RFA as opposed to RGA. Which is good (because we know) and not so good (because trying to trace him through RGA number sequencing won't work). I was at the Gloucestershire Archives today, enquiring about the police service records. Once I'd got past a somewhat unimaginative assistant who seemed to have swallowed the Data Protection Act and managed to speak to someone sensible, it seems there is some scope there. Once I can get the relevant docs out (dodging Ms Jobsworth and utilising Mr Helpful) they should give us at least the full name and date of birth. With any luck, service details might also be in there. There is another document that looks promising, which is photographs and docs of members of the Constabulary joining the forces in 1914. As the men retained their warrants on joining up, I daresay the constabulary might have taken note of their army details (service number etc). I didn't have time to get those docs out today (too busy listening to Ms Jobsworth drone on and copying photos from the Gazette) but I'll get down there again next week. Thanks again! Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 4 November , 2014 Share Posted 4 November , 2014 Sounds very promising - might answer quite a few questions! Sticklers for 'procedure' aren't unknown in education either! I think I have the Williams family in the 1901 census at Doddington Old Lodge Chipping Sodbury...I'll see if knocking a family tree together reveals owt... Bonio keeps my coat glossy and nose moist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 5 November , 2014 Share Posted 5 November , 2014 A small mention of Teal here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Willywombat Posted 5 November , 2014 Author Share Posted 5 November , 2014 Simon - I hadn't found that one. Thanks. Tibbles joined the force after the war, I think - he's not on the memorial nor mentioned anywhere as joining up from the police. Supt Hopkins is on the memorial as Arthur William Churchill Hopkins and there are numerous photos of him in the Gloucester Archives. Numerous of the others are on there as well and Ford, in particular, has a photo in the Glos Archives which, apparently, also contains details of his service with 129 HB (probably something written on the back). It's good to get confirmation of Fluck's Christian name, as I had to do a bit of lateral research to get that... Thanks, Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 6 November , 2014 Share Posted 6 November , 2014 3 Just realised I missed the rest!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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