trouble8732 Posted 16 September , 2014 Share Posted 16 September , 2014 I found this in a storage unit and i have looked at everything online and can find nothing like it.. any help would be greatly appreciated.. says pic is to large to upload so here is a link to it on photobucket.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glengarry1950 Posted 16 September , 2014 Share Posted 16 September , 2014 Hi Trouble8732, Welcome to the Forum can you post it the right way up getting a crook in the neck trying to read it. Cheers Hiram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 September , 2014 Share Posted 16 September , 2014 Looks like a document signed by The House of Representatives members and the Senate members? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trouble8732 Posted 16 September , 2014 Author Share Posted 16 September , 2014 sorry i cant get it to post any other way and yes its a copy from 1917.. know where i can find any info on it? like value or if its just junk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 September , 2014 Share Posted 16 September , 2014 If they are genuine signatures, it will be far from junk? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 September , 2014 Share Posted 16 September , 2014 Have you checked in Washington. I imagine the original would be there, or at least an archivist should be aware of it? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trouble8732 Posted 16 September , 2014 Author Share Posted 16 September , 2014 I just find it strange that I cant find any info online and museums ive gone to know nothing about it Im in Georgia! and ive went through the library of documents that the government has on ww1 and cant find it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 16 September , 2014 Share Posted 16 September , 2014 What's on the other side? Is it a reprint from a newspaper? Any chance of details of the tiny print in the lower right corner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 September , 2014 Share Posted 16 September , 2014 Try contact The National Archives? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trouble8732 Posted 16 September , 2014 Author Share Posted 16 September , 2014 the tiny print in the bottom just tells the event date.. The sixty-fifth congress, the war congress,met at noon April 2, 1917,pursuant to the proclamation of the president of the united states. The hon. Thomas R. Marshall, Vice president, presided over the senate, and the Hon Champ Clark, from Missouri, presided over the House of representatives. The resolution declaring a state of war to exist between the united state and the imperial German government, was introduced by senator Martian, of Virginia, was passed by the senate April 4 1917, by the house of representatives on April 5 1917 and approved by president Wilson on April 6, 1917 ill call them tomorrow they already closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trouble8732 Posted 16 September , 2014 Author Share Posted 16 September , 2014 this is all thats on the back.. looks like it was glued to the cardboard years ago.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glengarry1950 Posted 17 September , 2014 Share Posted 17 September , 2014 No wonder it took them so long to get involved if they had to wait on every one signing this Document from both Houses, must have been a mammoth task. I would say if its original and not a printed copy then its a unique Historical document. Kind regards Hiram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glengarry1950 Posted 17 September , 2014 Share Posted 17 September , 2014 This link might expand with more research to what you are looking for. http://research.archives.gov/search?refinegrp_data-source=Archival%20Descriptions&expression=Declaration++of++a++State+of++War&pg_src=group&data-source=all Cheers Hiram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standard Bearer Posted 17 September , 2014 Share Posted 17 September , 2014 I'd be very surprised if it's an original document as that should be safely tucked away in US Government archives. As suggested by ph0ebus, it might be a reprint from a newspaper but I wonder if it could be a facsimile of the original document, perhaps given to those who signed it as a "souvenir". Have had a quick look at the US Senate website but have so far been unable to find a way of contacting them about historical rather than current matters. I wonder if it would be worth asking the US Embassy in London. There doesn't seem to be a general email address for the Embassy, but the link I have provided gives the postal address. Please keep us posted as we'd love to know the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 17 September , 2014 Share Posted 17 September , 2014 Worth trying The Historical Society of Washington DC ? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 17 September , 2014 Share Posted 17 September , 2014 Was there a requirement to publicly display a copy in each state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standard Bearer Posted 17 September , 2014 Share Posted 17 September , 2014 Just discovered that the US Department of State which deals with international affairs has an "Office of the Historian". Contact details, including a general email address, are here. Might be better to try this department rather than the US Embassy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trouble8732 Posted 19 September , 2014 Author Share Posted 19 September , 2014 I have talked to over 20 people in Washington dc and no one knows what this is, they are all saying it must be a very rare piece and I need to have an appraisal done on it. Now my question and problem is, if its that rare how would an appraiser be able to give me a number value? also, where do I find the right appraiser?? Guys this is insane!! Yall may do stuff like this all the time but im just a poor ole country boy from a one horse town in Alabama!! I dont know if this thing is gonna make me rich or what lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trouble8732 Posted 19 September , 2014 Author Share Posted 19 September , 2014 oh and here are a few more pics for you guys, thanks to my daughter she does better pics than me lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 19 September , 2014 Share Posted 19 September , 2014 The United States Publishing Company appear to have in part specialised in producing facsimile editions of government documents (Federal, State and even Confederate) Thus for example they produced copies of Jefferson Davis's official papers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbarchetta Posted 19 September , 2014 Share Posted 19 September , 2014 As previously commented, this is certainly a contemporary print...of something... The fact that the printed text in the corner cites all the dates of events (that, in theory, would have been happening to this very document if it was the original) confirms this. Also the signatures are far too well organised for them to have actually been signed on a single document (swirly 'y's fitting nicely into gaps in the signature below - none actually overlapping etc). Imagine this document was produced shortly after the declaration by the USPC, putting together images of the signatures into a 'made up' document to commemorate the event. Having said that, I cannot find any reference to it, or images of it, on line, which indicates this was not widely produced, so will have some value to US military history collectors (but suspect you will have to keep the day job, Trouble!). James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 19 September , 2014 Share Posted 19 September , 2014 Depending on what it it is actually worth it may or may not pay to have it professionally cleaned and perhaps restored. I would suspect the glue and the backing board are contributing to its deterioration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 20 September , 2014 Share Posted 20 September , 2014 Cripes! I must look out all my 1970's 'Jackdaw Publications' facsimile folders from the attic. If this document is valuable then I must be sitting on a gold mine! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSMMo Posted 20 September , 2014 Share Posted 20 September , 2014 I would check with The Library of Congress (http://catalog.loc.gov/) particularly the "Ask a Librarian" link at the top. Or you could get a good antique documents expert to check it out. (Is Antiques Roadshow coming your way soon?) Could the "400" on the back refer to the number of printed copies? It's worth looking into. Mike Morrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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