Raster Scanning Posted 17 October , 2004 Share Posted 17 October , 2004 I have had this item for some time it is marked Samson Werk on the hilt and the scabbard has some damage from what looks like a bullet (not shown). I was told it was brought back to the UK by a soldier after the war. Please can anyone tell me more about this item. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 17 October , 2004 Share Posted 17 October , 2004 This is the German pattern m1914 bayonet. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.S.Regt. Posted 17 October , 2004 Share Posted 17 October , 2004 Looks like a M.1884/98. Check the back of the blade near the crossgaurd there should be a tiny stamp the number below the cipher should be the year of acceptance 15 would = 1915 ect. Best regards N.S.Regt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 17 October , 2004 Share Posted 17 October , 2004 The 1884/98 has a shorter blade than the one in the picture posted. Tomn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.S.Regt. Posted 17 October , 2004 Share Posted 17 October , 2004 Tom The crossgaurd on the M1914 is held in Place by two rivits which are usually noticeable unless the ones on this bayonet have been ground flush. There also appears to be hint of a flashgaurd which was not provided on the M1914. Best regards N.S.Regt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephyr4 Posted 17 October , 2004 Share Posted 17 October , 2004 Check this site out. http://www.old-smithy.info/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 17 October , 2004 Share Posted 17 October , 2004 Janzen 88/1 has no rivets. I give you that there also was a version with rivets. The blade length in the picture is still too long for any other German bayonet than he m1914. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.S.Regt. Posted 17 October , 2004 Share Posted 17 October , 2004 Tom The blade lenght on the M1914 is 11.81 inches. The standard lenght for the M 84/98 is 9.84inches the early versions most were converted from 71/84 banonet have a 10.04 in blade. There was a shorter version also, reference "The German Bayonet" by Walter. You are correct on blade lenght I had to dig out the book (still packed) to confirm lenghts. The Bayonet shown closely matches a Samson Werk Bayonet for the M1914 the grips are "usually" attached by rivets and have rounded fullers and pommel. I do have Janzen's but it does not go much into details like makers and construction but is a useful guide. Zephyr Never came across that one thanks. Regards N.S.Regt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raster Scanning Posted 17 October , 2004 Author Share Posted 17 October , 2004 Thanks NS Regt, museumtom, zephry4, for your replies. I measured the blade and it is a fraction under 12'', so it appears to be an M1914. Thanks again. John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkristof Posted 18 October , 2004 Share Posted 18 October , 2004 Looks like a German export bayonet to me. For the portugese mauser or something like it. The Belgians also made a large amount of export bayonets for Argentinia etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ebro1938 Posted 21 October , 2004 Share Posted 21 October , 2004 Definitely an S14 (see Walter pg 74). These Ersatz bayonets are fairly scarce. Some are believed made from export bayonets. Some have flashguards. Details of form & construction differ widely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raster Scanning Posted 24 October , 2004 Author Share Posted 24 October , 2004 Thanks again one and all, for your ideas and thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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