MichaelBully Posted 28 March , 2014 Share Posted 28 March , 2014 Greetings Professor Tim Kendall's documentary on Gurney will be shown at 9pm 30th March 2014 as in this Sunday, on BBC 4. More information from Tim Kendall's blog and from BBC website. Regards http://war-poets.blogspot.co.uk/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03zq4cb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 28 March , 2014 Share Posted 28 March , 2014 Oh! Thanks for that - definitely one to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred van Woerkom Posted 29 March , 2014 Share Posted 29 March , 2014 Thanks, Michael. I'll see if I can get it on my computer. Is that you in the clip "The poet who loved the war'? I find Gurney one of the most underrated war poets. So moving. All the best, Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred van Woerkom Posted 30 March , 2014 Share Posted 30 March , 2014 Michael and Jane, I remember reading THE SILENT ONE, puzzled by the sudden change of tone of voice. Where can I find an interpretation of this poem? Best Reagrads, Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 30 March , 2014 Share Posted 30 March , 2014 I had missed that one Michael, thank you David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanA Posted 30 March , 2014 Share Posted 30 March , 2014 This was a fine piece of work and very moving. The tussle between Scott and Finzi after Gurney's death was not mentioned but I suppose that is another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 30 March , 2014 Share Posted 30 March , 2014 The tussle between Scott and Finzi after Gurney's death was not mentioned but I suppose that is another story. And one I don't know about. Sounds interesting Ian. I thought the programme very good. At the moment the BBC is doing our subject a great service. I have an idea however that next Sunday might just start to redress the balance. Hope I'm wrong but not sure 'The Crimson Field' will meet with the reception all the other programmes this year have had in this parish! David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanA Posted 30 March , 2014 Share Posted 30 March , 2014 I have all the details but, basically, Scott performed excellent work by rescuing Gurney's manuscripts but then sat on them like a mother hen. Finzi was desperate to edit the collection and promote it to a wider public. Finzi found the whole think very frustrating while giving Scott credit for her action in preserving the works. Finzi eventually sweet-talked her round. He also had to struggle against Ivor's brother Ronald who was thought to want to destroy the papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Maria Posted 31 March , 2014 Share Posted 31 March , 2014 Interesting Programme , I hadn't known before that he had been a patient at Stone House Hospital in Dartford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripeyman Posted 31 March , 2014 Share Posted 31 March , 2014 I also found this programme interesting but who were the 'London Welsh' ? It was mentioned after a few minutes into the programme, I have never heard of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 31 March , 2014 Share Posted 31 March , 2014 Down the list here: http://www.1914-1918.net/rwf.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted 31 March , 2014 Share Posted 31 March , 2014 Superb programme. Very well presented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripeyman Posted 31 March , 2014 Share Posted 31 March , 2014 Down the list here: http://www.1914-1918.net/rwf.htm Well I did not know that, thank you. Scrolling down the list I came to the 2nd Garrison Bn 'Formed at Garswood Park, Wigan, not strictly true as it is in Ashton in Makerfield, I have passed this place, now a golf club, nearly every day since late 1976. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horrocks Posted 31 March , 2014 Share Posted 31 March , 2014 I also found this programme interesting but who were the 'London Welsh' ? It was mentioned after a few minutes into the programme, I have never heard of them. Surely this is David Jones's battalion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0rris Posted 1 April , 2014 Share Posted 1 April , 2014 I also found this programme interesting but who were the 'London Welsh' ? It was mentioned after a few minutes into the programme, I have never heard of them. Mustering at Grays Inn London 1915, there were two London Welsh battalions which became 15th and 18th Royal Welch Fusiliers. The 15th fought at Ypres, Mametz Wood, and Pilkem, while the 18th remained at home. Writer and artist David Jones, was indeed a member of the 15th Battalion. http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/ww1lit/collections/jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 1 April , 2014 Share Posted 1 April , 2014 Thanks Toby and Will, you beat me to it - I was fairly sure it was indeed David Jones's battallion but didn't have time to check before now. Nice link, Will! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hastings Posted 1 April , 2014 Share Posted 1 April , 2014 Thanks Michael, Just seen it in iplayer, really informative and gave me a greater appreciation for the man. So if I understood it properly he moved from the 2/5th Glos to the Bde MG Company in 1917? Thanks again Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelBully Posted 1 April , 2014 Author Share Posted 1 April , 2014 Glad that you liked the programme Jim ! To be honest i'm not sure -I've never studied Gurney's war service record. But if can find the answer will post ! Regards, Michael Bully Thanks Michael, Just seen it in iplayer, really informative and gave me a greater appreciation for the man. So if I understood it properly he moved from the 2/5th Glos to the Bde MG Company in 1917? Thanks again Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelBully Posted 1 April , 2014 Author Share Posted 1 April , 2014 Jim- I've just been looking at the Time Line in 'Three Poets of the First World War, Ivor Gurney, Isaac Rosenberg, Wilfred Owen', edited by Jon Stallworthy and Jane Potter, Penguin Classics 2011 They have Gurney "Transfered to the 184 Machine Gun Company at Vaux (31st July) " ...1917. There is always the Ivor Gurney Society http://www.ivorgurney.org.uk/index.htm Hope this helps Thanks Michael, Just seen it in iplayer, really informative and gave me a greater appreciation for the man. So if I understood it properly he moved from the 2/5th Glos to the Bde MG Company in 1917? Thanks again Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hastings Posted 2 April , 2014 Share Posted 2 April , 2014 Outstanding, thank you Michael, I had always associated him with the Gloucesters but not the MGC before Thanks for taking the time to dig that out, appreciate it have a good day, Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelBully Posted 2 April , 2014 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2014 Pleased to help Jim. I realise how rusty my research is getting from the Military History side...I seem to be getting caught up in poetry at present. Another alternative would be to see if anyone has found Gurney's war service record at the National Archives. Regards Outstanding, thank you Michael, I had always associated him with the Gloucesters but not the MGC before Thanks for taking the time to dig that out, appreciate it have a good day, Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hastings Posted 2 April , 2014 Share Posted 2 April , 2014 Blimey, they do exist, just found them on Ancestry!! I have it the other way Michael, I like personal accounts and letters, and that means I have to dig into the unit history to keep up with the context - think I've learned so much about the war that way, even if a little tunnel visioned to Bn or Bde level ... I find Blunden a hard read, but know you have to know his war to get the context of his poems, I sometimes wonder if that was part of his intent - as if 'if you were in the war and were at the places I mention you'd understand; if you weren't, you need to find out about these places or you won't' ... maybe that's just me, I'm not firing on all cylinders when it comes to poetry evaluation I'm afraid Thanks again though Have a good day, Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 3 April , 2014 Share Posted 3 April , 2014 The programme will be repeated on BBC4 at midnight tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Reed Posted 3 April , 2014 Share Posted 3 April , 2014 Gurney only ever served on attachment to the MGC as his service papers and medal rolls show, and as outlined in my chapter on him in my book 'Great War Lives'. I was surprised that in the whole of the programme his work as a Signaller was only mentioned once, and in passing.It helps explain his ability to roam around compared to a normal PBI and probably how he ended up attached to the Brigade MG Company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelBully Posted 3 April , 2014 Author Share Posted 3 April , 2014 Interesting comments-thanks Paul. Looks like we need far more co-operation between pals who are specialising in literature and those who are far more involved in military history research. I watched the programme and didn't pick up on any of this. Regards. Gurney only ever served on attachment to the MGC as his service papers and medal rolls show, and as outlined in my chapter on him in my book 'Great War Lives'. I was surprised that in the whole of the programme his work as a Signaller was only mentioned once, and in passing.It helps explain his ability to roam around compared to a normal PBI and probably how he ended up attached to the Brigade MG Company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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