sadsac Posted 22 November , 2014 Share Posted 22 November , 2014 David. Here is the Submarine Service Record Card ; RODGERS PERCIVAL HALL STO 1 P/K 2482 NE RN 050191 111113 DD E20 051115 ADAMANT JOINED RN 150409 SENIOR IN RATING 010410AGE 24 PORTSMOUTH 8 - 2 - 155 Killed in action with submarine in the Dardanelles.HMS ADAMANT. ADM 188 / 871. N.P 6054 / 15.P.o.B ; Leeds, Yorks. Occ ; Fitter. H.M. Submarine E.20 was torpedoed and sunk in the Sea of Marmora, Turkey by U-14. You probably have all of that - but !! Sadsac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 22 November , 2014 Share Posted 22 November , 2014 Hi guys. (newby-allert!) I am in the process of building a site for all of the casualties on the War Memorial at Darlaston, Staffs. There are 5 WWI sailors one of whom, Harry Standford, was on E 20. https://blockall.wordpress.com/2014/05/11/standford-harry-r-n/ Any additional pics or info will be very welcome. Great forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadsac Posted 23 November , 2014 Share Posted 23 November , 2014 Hello `Newby'. Great work you (& others ??) are doing re commemorating those on local Memorial. STANDFORD Harry ???? I have STANFORD Harry ???? D/K 9865 - makes him Devonport rating. Find below Submarine Record Card as I have. STANFORD HARRY ALBERT STO 1 D/K 9865 NE RN SM E.20 05.11.15 Z 24 180791 C F PLYMOUTH 7 PLYMOUTH 2 - 116 Killed in action with submarine in the Dardanelles.HMS ADAMANT. ADM 188 / 886. NP 6054 / 15.P.o.B ; Darleston, Staffs. Occ ; Iron Worker. H.M. Submarine E.20 was torpedoed and sunk in the Sea of Marmora, Turkey by U-14. HMS Vivid II….180111 – 120511. HMS Argyle….130511 – 020614. HMS Forth….030614 – 200614. HMS Dolphin….010714 – 051114. HMS Maidstone….061114 – 200715. HMS E20….210715 – 051115. E 20 was a submarine, built by Vickers at Barrow she was commissioned on 30th August 1915. Sunk on the 5th November the same year as the result of a tragic mistake on the part of a French Captain. The French submarine Turquoise was captured by the Turks in the Sea of Marmara with a complete set of allied codes intact, including the date, place and time of a meeting with HMS E20. Instead of the French sub turning up the German UB 14 arrived and torpedoed HMS E20. Of her crew of 30 21 were killed. Full confirmation of name may be had by checking PRO/NA file No. ADM 188 / 886 - at least that is what the RN have his name as - families sometimes differ ?? PRO & `Register of Names' will confirm !! Also note difference to your site in date of sinking of E.20 November not December 1915. Sadsac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 23 November , 2014 Share Posted 23 November , 2014 Thank you for the reply and correction, it is just 'yours truly' building the site which may account for the schoolboy errors on there. Graeme Clarke can attest to that. The name does seem to be Stanford from checking other sources and what Ihave been told but it is Standford on the Memorial. I understand that it was pointed out at the unveiling in 1927 but as the names are on large bronze plaques there was not a lot that could be done about it. Again thank you. Off topic a little, in the 1911 census his younger brother, Richard Charles Stanford is, Boy 1st Class, HMS Victorious, Torquay. Was this the 1895 Battleship or was there some establishment at Torquay? Or does this need to be placed elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmbrown Posted 23 November , 2014 Share Posted 23 November , 2014 Sonicsniper I have sent you a message with my e-mail address again as I don't seem to have received anything. Will then happily send you anything I have on Percival Hall Rodgers. Hope to hear soon. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmbrown Posted 23 November , 2014 Share Posted 23 November , 2014 Thanks to Sadsac for the details of Percival Hall Rodgers service. I think I do know all of that but I am always grateful for any confirmation of what I think I know. I have a copy of his service record from the National Archives which I think would be ADM 188/871 as you quote. He married in 1909 before the war and had a daughter in 1913 and, although he didn't know it had 10 grandchildren so the lineage continues! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E20tyke Posted 5 December , 2014 Share Posted 5 December , 2014 Hi all particularly Sonic Sniper I have just come across this forum and I hope as a complete novice I can add value to the E20 research for others as well as adding greatly to my own family research. My grandfather Signalman Henry Wilkinson Brown was killed when E20 went down. Fortunately his wife was carrying his unborn son at that time so today he has 29 direct descendants, of which I am one. I have Henry's original record of service and this has allowed me to follow his postings from a Ganges boy sailor to E20 plus fill in some bits on E20's short life from launch to sinking. I presume ( Sonic Sniper) that you will probably have most of this.Also I have a photo of HWB, E20 at Barrow in Furnace plus two In Grand Harbour Malta. I have done a story of his life and service for work being done about individuals on our local memorials . He is remembered on two of them. I am happy to share anything I have to add to the E20 story plus HWB's background. Internet research lists those who survived but I have nothing on the survivors or what happened to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadsac Posted 6 December , 2014 Share Posted 6 December , 2014 TYKE. You most probably have all of this, but this is his Submarine Service Record Card ; BROWN HENRY WILKINSON SIGNALMAN D/J 7134 NE RN SM E.20 05.11.15 Z 22 050693 F PLYMOUTH 6 PLYMOUTH 2 - 71 Husband of Elsie Briggs (Formerly Brown), of 5 Thornley Terrace, Peel St., Barnsley, Yorks. Killed in action with submarine in the Dardanelles.HMS ADAMANT. ADM 188 / 661. N.P 6054 / 15.P.o.B ; Barnsley, Yorks. Occ ; Engine Cleaner. H.M. Submarine E.20 was torpedoed and sunk in the Sea of Marmora, Turkey by U-14. Would be most interested (& believe other would) to see his FULL Record file if you have it. Sadsac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicsniper Posted 11 December , 2014 Share Posted 11 December , 2014 Hi E20tyke Sorry for the delay in my reply. It is great to hear from you and i would be very grate full for any and all information and pictures you have of her and her crew. If it is possible would you send me and picture of your grandfather Henry Wilkinson Brown in uniform on his own.Did your grandmother get any medals that Henry Brown would have received, If yes can you let me know what they were or are. As Sadsac has put it would be great to see his full service record. Thank you for getting in touch and keep in touch. Sonicsniper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E20tyke Posted 11 December , 2014 Share Posted 11 December , 2014 Thanks for the replies and I'll work out the best may to share my info. As for medals, there are 4 If I remember correctly but I do not have them personally so will chase upon which they are. Of course I do recall one was the large death medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicsniper Posted 12 December , 2014 Share Posted 12 December , 2014 Thanks E20tyke I look forward to hearing from you soon. Sonic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E20tyke Posted 16 December , 2014 Share Posted 16 December , 2014 Hi Sonic I've sent some photos that hopefully you may find useful. Tyke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFF Posted 26 December , 2014 Share Posted 26 December , 2014 EMS 20 Submarine picture {Crew{?} http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HMS_E20.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peterlymn Posted 18 February , 2015 Share Posted 18 February , 2015 Hi Mr G. My grandfather was one of the survivors on E20 i have the full list of crew and a short history on each seaman. If you have any info i could have would be great, or if i can send you what i have, You are more than welcome. As far as pictures i only have the one in the docs. Also if anybody has any information of any of the crew or where the hospital and prison camps are i would really appreciate it all. My Granddads name . Leading stoker fist class Joseph Embery. Regards Sonic Joseph Embery was my Grandmothers brother. I read on an earlier post that you had a photo of him. I would love a copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peterlymn Posted 19 February , 2015 Share Posted 19 February , 2015 EMBERY JOSEPH L STO P/K 13860 NE RN 140888 011014 was my Grandmothers brother and I would love to have a photo or any other information about him. I am new to this forum and note sure how to make contact with sonic sniper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadsac Posted 22 February , 2015 Share Posted 22 February , 2015 Hello Peter. Find here your relations Submarine Service Card ; EMBERY JOSEPH L STO P/K 13860 NE RN 140888 011014 SC 141001 DOLPHIN E20 161022 MAIDSTONE DOLPHIN ADAMANT POW 150000 TURKEY SC 190101 DOLPHIN DEMOBILISED 3.4.19 ACT LDG STO PRISONER 6/11/15 ADDRESS 48 AUCKLAND RD., CAMP HILL, BIRMINGHAM. ADM 188 / 894 P.o.B ; WOLVERHAMPTON STAFFS C S EXPIRES 270319 SENIOR IN RATING 120308 Please note ; dates are in `reverse order' - 141001 = 1 October 1914. SC = Spare crew. POW = Prisoner of War. Full Naval Service Record is in the ADM File at PRO/NA available `on-line' for £3.50. Good Hunting, Sadsac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicsniper Posted 24 February , 2015 Share Posted 24 February , 2015 E20tyke Sorry to say but i have not received the photos of the E20 in malta can you please send them me again. Also did you find out about the 4 medal he had. Regards Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFF Posted 28 February , 2015 Share Posted 28 February , 2015 E-20 and picture of the crew http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HMS_E20.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicsniper Posted 13 March , 2015 Share Posted 13 March , 2015 that photo is the same as on wikipedia. But thank you for sending the picture. Rog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadsac Posted 13 March , 2015 Share Posted 13 March , 2015 Hello Roger. Re PM. Here is record of Skipper E20 - as I have already posted in E20 SURVIVOURS Thread. Find here details of Submarine Service of Lt.Cdr Warren ; WARREN Clyfford Harris. LT CDR. B.11. IN COMMAND. 1. 2.09. ONYX. B.1. 1. 2.09. FORTH. C.1. 8. 2.13. THAMES. C.1. 16. 5.15. IN COMMAND. Born 13.10.1885. Cdt 15.05.1900, Mid 30.09.1901, SubLt 30.11.1904, Lt 30.11.1905, LtCdr 30.11.1913, Retired List 20.12.1920. HMS Thames 14.05.1906 For submarine training HMS Forth 25.02.1908 For command of submarine HMS Onyx 01.02.1909 CO HMs/m B11 HMS Mercury 01.08.1910 CO HMs/m A12 General Service 12.01.1911 HMS Triumph HMS Thames 08.02.1913 CO HMs/m C1 HMS Dolphin 01.07.1915 CO HMs/m E20 [Completing, Vickers] 05.11.1915 Prisoner of War HMS Dolphin 01.12.1918 For submarine duties HMS Royal Arthur 17.02.1919 In Command HMS Pandora 14.01.1920 In Command 30.08.1915, HMS/m E20 completed, after trials she joined HMS Adamant with Special Service Flotilla 1 at Mudros. 06.11.1915, Having made its way through the Dardanelles to the Sea of Marmara to rendezvous with the French submarine Turquoise HMS/m E20 was sunk by torpedo from UB14 the rendezvous plans having been discovered when Turquoise was captured by the Turkish forces having run aground. There were only nine survivors from HMS/m E20 including the Commanding Officer. 27.12.1939, WW2 service, HMS Lynx. 12.03.1940, HMS Claverhouse 05.11.1941, HMS Tedworth 15.12.1941, During December he returned to the Retired List probably on health grounds. AWARDS. Member of the Order of the British Empire No idea of his life after leaving RN. Perhaps an Obit in The Times / other Paper may supply some family connection. Sadsac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicsniper Posted 16 March , 2015 Share Posted 16 March , 2015 Thank you for that info Regards Roger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E20tyke Posted 4 November , 2015 Share Posted 4 November , 2015 Just a thought for contemplation for those of you that have contributed to this site. Tomorrow will be exactly 100yrs since E20 was sunk. I will be visiting my local memorial with a small group to remember my grandfather and the whole crew of the E20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
submarine Posted 4 November , 2015 Share Posted 4 November , 2015 That is such a wonderful thought to remember the crew of E20 . Good luck and my thoughts will be with you . Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilona Posted 19 August , 2016 Share Posted 19 August , 2016 (edited) Hello, My name is Ilona, I'm a school teacher. I would to share some information with you all that I came across yesterday. I'm currently on holiday and came across an old log book that belonged to Lt Cdr C.H. Warren dating from 1903-1904. He was on a few ships during this period - HMS Albion, HMS Fearless and HMS Cressy. He may have been on others, I didn't have the time to look and read through all the pages. The log book was meticulously kept with superb water colour paintings, line drawings of equipments and maps around 'Nippon' which I believe is Japan. The log book shows daily logs of what was happening, weather conditions, installations of equipment. Also included are beautiful contoured line drawings mapping the seabed around this region. This is the first time I have come across a book that fascinated me, i had no idea who this person was or what he did. I went back to my room in the evening and started researching. Well, by 3:00am in the morning, I discovered so much more. I just knew in my heart that after I read and looked at Lt Cdr C.H Warren's work, that here is a man who was extremely talented, intelligent, caring and meticulous for detail. I hope this helps, the log book definitely proves he was at this rank on these ships and at sea during 1903-1904. Despite not knowing anything about this man, I feel he was a hero, an unsung hero. There should be a film made about him, especially the unfortunate incident with his submarine HMS E20. I would love to know more about him, was he married, children, etc.. Any photos of him and him on his ships and submarines. His interests, education, what did he do after retiring from service, when did he passed away, etc... So many questions. I'm so excited and intrigued by my stumbling across the log book and consequent research. If anyone could help with the above I would be very grateful. Im also happy to give further help to any queries too. Many thanks & Kind regards, Ilona Edited 19 August , 2016 by Ilona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilona Posted 19 August , 2016 Share Posted 19 August , 2016 On 13 March 2015 at 18:30, sadsac said: Hello Roger. Re PM. Here is record of Skipper E20 - as I have already posted in E20 SURVIVOURS Thread. Find here details of Submarine Service of Lt.Cdr Warren ; WARREN Clyfford Harris. LT CDR. B.11. IN COMMAND. 1. 2.09. ONYX. B.1. 1. 2.09. FORTH. C.1. 8. 2.13. THAMES. C.1. 16. 5.15. IN COMMAND. Born 13.10.1885. Cdt 15.05.1900, Mid 30.09.1901, SubLt 30.11.1904, Lt 30.11.1905, LtCdr 30.11.1913, Retired List 20.12.1920. HMS Thames 14.05.1906 For submarine training HMS Forth 25.02.1908 For command of submarine HMS Onyx 01.02.1909 CO HMs/m B11 HMS Mercury 01.08.1910 CO HMs/m A12 General Service 12.01.1911 HMS Triumph HMS Thames 08.02.1913 CO HMs/m C1 HMS Dolphin 01.07.1915 CO HMs/m E20 [Completing, Vickers] 05.11.1915 Prisoner of War HMS Dolphin 01.12.1918 For submarine duties HMS Royal Arthur 17.02.1919 In Command HMS Pandora 14.01.1920 In Command 30.08.1915, HMS/m E20 completed, after trials she joined HMS Adamant with Special Service Flotilla 1 at Mudros. 06.11.1915, Having made its way through the Dardanelles to the Sea of Marmara to rendezvous with the French submarine Turquoise HMS/m E20 was sunk by torpedo from UB14 the rendezvous plans having been discovered when Turquoise was captured by the Turkish forces having run aground. There were only nine survivors from HMS/m E20 including the Commanding Officer. 27.12.1939, WW2 service, HMS Lynx. 12.03.1940, HMS Claverhouse 05.11.1941, HMS Tedworth 15.12.1941, During December he returned to the Retired List probably on health grounds. AWARDS. Member of the Order of the British Empire No idea of his life after leaving RN. Perhaps an Obit in The Times / other Paper may supply some family connection. Sadsac Hi, I am new to the forum, I have posted information on Lt. Cdr C.H. Warren below. Could you please reply at your earliest convenience. Many thanks, Ilona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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