mark.topham Posted 6 January , 2014 Posted 6 January , 2014 Hi All Wondering if anybody out there has access to the LRB War Diary. Particularly interested in the section with eye witness accounts from 1st July 1916. Trying to track down a quote I saw many years ago. Mark
sotonmate Posted 6 January , 2014 Posted 6 January , 2014 1/5 Londons (RB) War Diary not yet digital,for info,reference WO95/2961 from Feb 1916 forward.169 Brigade of 56 Division. 2/5 Londons (RB) were also in France from Apr 1916.
mark.topham Posted 7 January , 2014 Author Posted 7 January , 2014 What's the gist of the quote? From what I remember it is an account from a Private who with an officer were the only two members of their platoon taking shelter in a shell hole in front of Gommecourt on the morning of the 1st July '16. The Private states that the officer spent some time urging that they should advance as that was their orders. Despite the obvious hopelessness of this suggestion and the fact that they were under heavy fire eventually the officer and the Private stand up to rush forward; the officer was instantly killed and the Private seriously wounded. I was wanting to know if the officer was named. mark
bmac Posted 7 January , 2014 Posted 7 January , 2014 The officer was 2nd Lt Archibald Warner and the man Rfn. Henry Russell, although Russell called him Wallace in the account. Do you need any details about Warner? I have a brief biog on my other computer.
mark.topham Posted 8 January , 2014 Author Posted 8 January , 2014 The officer was 2nd Lt Archibald Warner and the man Rfn. Henry Russell, although Russell called him Wallace in the account. Do you need any details about Warner? I have a brief biog on my other computer. Fantastic; Yes any information would be gladly welcomed Mark
bmac Posted 8 January , 2014 Posted 8 January , 2014 2nd Lt. Archibald Warner, 1/5th London Regt. (London Rifle Brigade), was killed on 1st July 1916. The son of John and the late Alice Warner of Waddon House, Croydon, Warner was born on 13th February 1884. His father was an iron founder. Educated at Whitgift School, Leighton Park School, Reading and Queen’s College, Cambridge, he was articled to Messers Trinder, Capron & Co., London, solicitors, joining Messers Bennett and Ferris when he qualified. A keen sportsman he had been captain of the Queen’s College boat. He married Norah Elizabeth Goodbody, youngest daughter of Mr J Perry Goodbody of Inchmore, Clara, King’s County, Ireland, on 15th September 1914 and they lived at ‘Penarth’,. North Road, Carshalton. He attested as 3997 Private in the 3/28th London Regt. (Artists’ Rifles) on 4th June 1915 and served with them until October. He was commissioned into the 3/5th London Regt. on 29th October 1915 and joined the 1/5th London Regt. in France on 27th May 1916. He is buried in Hebuterne Military Cemetery, grave IV.D.7. His brother, 8050 Sgt Evan Warner, 1/5th London Regt. (London Rifle Brigade), was killed on 11th December 1914 and is buried in Lancashire Cottage Cemetery, grave I. C. 8
ASA1 Posted 8 January , 2014 Posted 8 January , 2014 Hi Mark and Bill Do either of you have the text of the original quote? Archibald Warner is commemorated on Carshalton war memorial; I am currently writing a book about the men on the memorial and would love to include this information (Bill you have helped me out with my project previously, with photos from the TSG!). Incidentally Archibald had another brother, Bertram, who was also killed. Many thanks, Andy
chrrip Posted 9 January , 2014 Posted 9 January , 2014 Russell's account is at the IWM; I have a copy if bmac can't source it. Incidentally Russell's brother was wounded on 1.7.16 with the LRB. Warner had a second brother, Evan, also killed serving with the LRB - pics of all 3 in the memorial book published by Croydon Counci. Chris
mark.topham Posted 9 January , 2014 Author Posted 9 January , 2014 Russell's account is at the IWM; I have a copy if bmac can't source it. Incidentally Russell's brother was wounded on 1.7.16 with the LRB. Warner had a second brother, Evan, also killed serving with the LRB - pics of all 3 in the memorial book published by Croydon Counci. Chris Any chance I could have a copy? mark
chrrip Posted 11 January , 2014 Posted 11 January , 2014 mark will need an email address; pm me? incidentally the third brother killed was Bertram. Chris
ASA1 Posted 11 January , 2014 Posted 11 January , 2014 Hi Chris, Could you possibly send me a copy too? Will PM my email. Cheers, Andy
mark.topham Posted 13 January , 2014 Author Posted 13 January , 2014 Thanks Chris for quote and reference mark
aengland Posted 2 November , 2014 Posted 2 November , 2014 Hello Bill, Chris, Andy, Mark I have been extremely fortunate to have purchased the portrait of Archibald Warner from David Cohen Fine Art in the last year. As you probably know, the oil portrait is a copy of the photograph at post number 7 by Bill.... (I believe that a copy of the photograph was used as the template for the painting). Somehow I regrettably missed this series of fascinating posts until I searched for 'Archibald' on the Forum today! I am currently writing a short account of the life of Archibald and I would love to have the war diary entries, and any other information, that any of you have... or anyone else. If you are willing to pass the information to me, then I would be extremely grateful. Thank you in advance of your help Andrew
ASA1 Posted 28 December , 2015 Posted 28 December , 2015 Hi Andrew, Really sorry, only just seen your reply to this post. Did you still want the info or did you manage to get hold of copies? Andy
Guest Posted 4 January , 2017 Posted 4 January , 2017 Hello all. If it's of interest, I work at the school Archibald Warner attended, Leighton Park , a Quaker School. The Archivist used the school records to write a book and put faces to the names on the school War Memorial, using the men's school files. We are aware that 3 of the 4 Warner brothers died in the war. I am interested to read the account of his death. We had a note from one of his peers that "a big shell came through the parapet of an advanced British Trench and killed him by its concussion". Happy to answer any questions
Guest Posted 12 September , 2017 Posted 12 September , 2017 Might any one here know the birth and death date of Henry Russell?
David Marriage Posted 28 July , 2020 Posted 28 July , 2020 On 07/01/2014 at 12:26, bmac said: The officer was 2nd Lt Archibald Warner and the man Rfn. Henry Russell, although Russell called him Wallace in the account. Do you need any details about Warner? I have a brief biog on my other computer. On 02/11/2014 at 22:31, aengland said: Hello Bill, Chris, Andy, Mark I have been extremely fortunate to have purchased the portrait of Archibald Warner from David Cohen Fine Art in the last year. As you probably know, the oil portrait is a copy of the photograph at post number 7 by Bill.... (I believe that a copy of the photograph was used as the template for the painting). Somehow I regrettably missed this series of fascinating posts until I searched for 'Archibald' on the Forum today! I am currently writing a short account of the life of Archibald and I would love to have the war diary entries, and any other information, that any of you have... or anyone else. If you are willing to pass the information to me, then I would be extremely grateful. Thank you in advance of your help Andrew
David Marriage Posted 28 July , 2020 Posted 28 July , 2020 On 04/01/2017 at 19:22, Guest said: Hello all. If it's of interest, I work at the school Archibald Warner attended, Leighton Park , a Quaker School. The Archivist used the school records to write a book and put faces to the names on the school War Memorial, using the men's school files. We are aware that 3 of the 4 Warner brothers died in the war. I am interested to read the account of his death. We had a note from one of his peers that "a big shell came through the parapet of an advanced British Trench and killed him by its concussion". Happy to answer any questions Hello. Archibald Warner was the first husband of my grandmother: Norah Elizabeth Goodbody, married 15 Sept 1914. Almost five years after he was killed on the first day of The Somme, she married my grandfather Llewellyn Marriage. My grandfather, Llewellyn attended Leighton Park in the same class as Archibald Warner and Harold Goodbody, Norah's brother. Can you confirm? I am intrigued that three Quaker brothers, Evan (11/12/1914), Archibald (01/07/1916) and Bertram (12/04/1917), all fought and died in the War. I understand only Archie attended Leighton Park. I don't know why the other brothers did not attend the school. All three brothers died serving in the 5th battalion of the London Rifle Brigade although the first two joined up in other regiments. Archibald is commemorated on the Carshalton War Memorial. The other two are not, despite living in Croydon. Any information you can give is very welcome. Thank you.
David Marriage Posted 28 July , 2020 Posted 28 July , 2020 24 minutes ago, David Marriage said: Andrew. Sorry for the post of a blank space. I would love to see the portrait of Archibald Warner, if you still have it. I can supply an e-mail address. Thank you David
Admin Michelle Young Posted 28 July , 2020 Admin Posted 28 July , 2020 Welcome to the forum. Unfortunately the member who works at Leighton Park school is no longer a member here as denoted by guest. We will not have any contact information for them. @aengland is, however still an active member of the forum. Michelle
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