collectorsguide Posted 30 November , 2013 Share Posted 30 November , 2013 On the ricasso of most Remington / Winchester US marked P '17 BAYONETS is a two figure number stamped by the US and Eagle stamp.Examples I have observed are ....14,15,17 and 20.Are these dates ie 1915,1920 etc, or inspectors numbers ? In some cases they predate the Pattern and appear to me to be added after the US ownership mark ? I have always thought they were two figure dates but now not so sure.Anyone know for certain? best wishes, Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 30 November , 2013 Share Posted 30 November , 2013 On the ricasso of most Remington / Winchester US marked P '17 BAYONETS is a two figure number stamped by the US and Eagle stamp.Examples I have observed are ....14,15,17 and 20.Are these dates ie 1915,1920 etc, or inspectors numbers ? Howard, On the American Model 1917 ( American - Model, British - Pattern ) bayonet, on one side of the ricasso is the Remington or Winchester maker's logo and the ' Model ' date of 1917, on the other side are the Ordnance Mark ( Flaming Bomb ) and the Inspection Mark ( Eagle's Head ) plus the inspector's identification numbers. The inspector's identification numbers are not dates. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectorsguide Posted 30 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 30 November , 2013 Thanks LF that's exactly what I wanted to know.Do you know how many inspectors numbers there are? I think I have observed a 22 as highest and 14 as lowest.Information to go in forthcoming book so need to get it correct.best w. Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 30 November , 2013 Share Posted 30 November , 2013 (edited) A small number of these bayonets were (mistakenly) stamped 1918. I believe they were all Remington produced. I will check my examples for inspector's numbers if they remain of interest. Chris Edit: I have a Remington with an eagle head/ 8 inspector's stamp. Edited 30 November , 2013 by 4thGordons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 30 November , 2013 Share Posted 30 November , 2013 Howard, As Chris has said, a very small number of Remington ' Model 1917 ' bayonets were produced by mistake, with the ' Model ' year shown as the production year, so instead of the ricasso showing the Remington maker's logo and the Model date of 1917, these scarce few Remington bayonets have a ' Model 1918 ' stamping on the ricasso. I have a Remington ' Model 1918 ' error bayonet in my Collection, a photo is attached. Regards. LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectorsguide Posted 1 December , 2013 Author Share Posted 1 December , 2013 Thanks for this excellent info.Yes Chris inspectors numbers are of interest.I would like to use the 1918 photo if I may? BEST W, Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
militariaone Posted 1 December , 2013 Share Posted 1 December , 2013 Greetings Howard, You might find this webpage of interest. http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/bayo_points_10.htm Regards, Lance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 1 December , 2013 Share Posted 1 December , 2013 I would like to use the 1918 photo if I may? BEST W, Howard Howard, I shall PM you on the photos you require, and in the meantime, here are some more Remington bayonets from my Collection, showing their various markings. Shown bottom left to top right :- British Pattern 1913 Mk.I Sword Bayonet dated January 1917 by Remington. American Model 1917 bayonet with ' 1918 ' error date by Remington. British Pattern 1913 Mk.I Sword Bayonet dated October 1916 by Remington, and subsequently re-issued back to the Americans and over-stamped with U.S. markings. British Pattern 1907 Sword Bayonet dated November 1915 by Remington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 1 December , 2013 Share Posted 1 December , 2013 Howard, Here is the reverse side of the ricasso on the American Model 1917 Remington bayonet with the ' 1918 ' error date. The American Inspector's Identification Number is 27. LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 1 December , 2013 Share Posted 1 December , 2013 Howard, Here are the markings for the British Pattern 1913 Mk.I Sword Bayonet dated October 1916, and subsequently re-issued back to the Americans who then over-stamped the original British ricasso markings with American Ordnance and Inspection Marks. The Inspector's Identification number is 27. LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 1 December , 2013 Share Posted 1 December , 2013 Howard, It is often either not known, or is overlooked, that Remington in fact made Pattern 1907 Sword Bayonets for the British. The combined British manufacturers producing some 5 million Pattern 1907 Sword Bayonets, with Remington producing only 100,000, making the Remington Pattern 1907 Sword Bayonet one of the scarcer makes. Here is a photograph of the ' Remington ' maker's mark on their Pattern 1907 Sword Bayonets, this example being dated November 1915. LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectorsguide Posted 4 December , 2013 Author Share Posted 4 December , 2013 Thanks LF Email sent today.best w, Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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