wulsten Posted 28 July , 2013 Share Posted 28 July , 2013 Can anyone find a record for this chap the family name is Shaw, came from Porthil Newcastle under Lyme Staffordshire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeClarke Posted 28 July , 2013 Share Posted 28 July , 2013 Hi Theres a death registered of a Harry Shaw born 1895, death registered April to June 1918, in Wolstanton, Staffordshire. probably him ?? Regards, Graeme PS The spellings a bit out !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulsten Posted 28 July , 2013 Author Share Posted 28 July , 2013 Graeme, thanks for that do you reckon he may be a non-Comm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeClarke Posted 28 July , 2013 Share Posted 28 July , 2013 Hi His service records are on Ancestry. Served as 89959 harry Shaw 43, Heaton Terrace, Wolstanton Enlisted 12.4.15 BEF 21.9.15 to 21.11.16 8 January 1918 discharged as 'no longer physically fit' with diabetes "Not result of but aggravated by conditions of active service." http://search.ancest...gskw=Harry Shaw MIC and SWB online, too Regards, Graeme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulsten Posted 28 July , 2013 Author Share Posted 28 July , 2013 Graeme brilliant info, death was probably natural causes then ? Geoff Though discharged January died by April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGM Posted 28 July , 2013 Share Posted 28 July , 2013 Will you purchase his death certificate, Wulsten? If his death certificate says he died of diabetes you could well have a Non-comm. CGM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulsten Posted 29 July , 2013 Author Share Posted 29 July , 2013 CGM, i think first step will be to concentrate on John Raftery as he seems to be certainly a non-comm due to his records etc, they rest very close to each other in the churchyard, Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGM Posted 29 July , 2013 Share Posted 29 July , 2013 Yes, of course. (I have met 2 previous cases of diabetes in Non-comms. The one I know the most about died 5 months after discharge, after being in a diabetic coma for 12 hours.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 30 July , 2013 Share Posted 30 July , 2013 If his death certificate says he died of diabetes you could well have a Non-comm. Or something that can be linked to diabetes. It'll be well worth a punt towards CWGC/MoD. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Underdown Posted 30 July , 2013 Share Posted 30 July , 2013 That one sounds familiar CGM! Gilbert Victor Drew was a non-comm I researched who's discharge and death was down to diabetes aggravated by service (CGM helped tracked down the grave to finish the job). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGM Posted 31 July , 2013 Share Posted 31 July , 2013 One day I will get the opportunity to visit his grave and pay my respects. CGM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC78 Posted 17 October , 2021 Share Posted 17 October , 2021 @wulsten Do you recall where the grave is for this man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulsten Posted 17 October , 2021 Author Share Posted 17 October , 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, PaulC78 said: @wulsten Do you recall where the grave is for this man? St Margaret's church yard wolstanton Newcastle under lyme Staffordshire Two non comms already accepted by mod from this cemetery Harry yeomans and john raftery Edited 17 October , 2021 by wulsten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC78 Posted 17 October , 2021 Share Posted 17 October , 2021 Cheers! Was Shaw ever followed up on or was he no good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulsten Posted 19 October , 2021 Author Share Posted 19 October , 2021 Never followed up, service papers survive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulsten Posted 21 August , 2023 Author Share Posted 21 August , 2023 Death certificate and evidence forwarded to cwgc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulsten Posted 21 August , 2023 Author Share Posted 21 August , 2023 If anyone could DM his service paper page stating discharge unfit diabetes not caused by but aggravated by war service it would be appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 21 August , 2023 Share Posted 21 August , 2023 PM sent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 21 August , 2023 Share Posted 21 August , 2023 1 hour ago, wulsten said: If anyone could DM his service paper page stating discharge unfit diabetes not caused by but aggravated by war service it would be appreciated Did you find the pension index cards at WFA/Fold3? Initially it looks like he got a disability pension after discharge. 8.1.17 awarded 20/- from 9.1.17 6 Mths, Cond. [6 Months, Conditional] - File destroyed 10/1/26 [not unsurprising as he was dead by then] but his Dependant's claim seems to have been R, PA [Refused, Put Away] M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulsten Posted 21 August , 2023 Author Share Posted 21 August , 2023 27 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said: Did you find the pension index cards at WFA/Fold3? Initially it looks like he got a disability pension after discharge. 8.1.17 awarded 20/- from 9.1.17 6 Mths, Cond. [6 Months, Conditional] - File destroyed 10/1/26 [not unsurprising as he was dead by then] but his Dependant's claim seems to have been R, PA [Refused, Put Away] M Yes got the pension cards Cheers M 2 hours ago, jay dubaya said: PM sent Jay, many thanks very much appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 21 August , 2023 Share Posted 21 August , 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Matlock1418 said: his Dependant's claim seems to have been R, PA [Refused, Put Away] To clarify my thoughts on this - standing on its own - at best/worst this is Neutral since we don't know the reason for refusal ... since as well as a] possibly death not caused/aggravated by service it might simply be that b] possibly the dependant had no prior dependance on Harry in the first place = both reasons for a potential refusal. I trust CWGC et al won't try to use it negatively. M Edited 21 August , 2023 by Matlock1418 typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulsten Posted 23 August , 2023 Author Share Posted 23 August , 2023 Service paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 23 August , 2023 Share Posted 23 August , 2023 (edited) On 21/08/2023 at 19:56, Matlock1418 said: Initially it looks like he got a disability pension after discharge. 8.1.17 awarded 20/- from 9.1.17 6 Mths, Cond. [6 Months, Conditional] 2 hours ago, wulsten said: Service paper Nicely matches the pension index card's 20/- pw awarded - as aggravated. M Edit: I forgot to mention previously that, at that date, 20/- pw was the 100% degree of disability rate for a pension Class V soldier/Pte-Sapper and this sheet nicely confirms Total Disablement Edited 23 August , 2023 by Matlock1418 edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulsten Posted 24 August , 2023 Author Share Posted 24 August , 2023 Awaiting outcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 24 August , 2023 Share Posted 24 August , 2023 Just now, wulsten said: Awaiting outcome I feel sure you will keep us informed of progress - always of interest to see such and timescales. M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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