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Harry Shaw Royal Engineers 23rd April 1918 ?


wulsten

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Hi

Theres a death registered of a Harry Shaw born 1895, death registered April to June 1918, in Wolstanton, Staffordshire.

probably him ??

Regards,

Graeme

PS The spellings a bit out !!

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Hi

His service records are on Ancestry.

Served as 89959 harry Shaw

43, Heaton Terrace, Wolstanton

Enlisted 12.4.15

BEF 21.9.15 to 21.11.16

8 January 1918 discharged as 'no longer physically fit' with diabetes

"Not result of but aggravated by conditions of active service."

http://search.ancest...gskw=Harry Shaw

MIC and SWB online, too

Regards,

Graeme

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Will you purchase his death certificate, Wulsten?

If his death certificate says he died of diabetes you could well have a Non-comm.

CGM

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CGM, i think first step will be to concentrate on John Raftery as he seems to be certainly a non-comm due to his records etc, they rest very close to each other in the churchyard, Geoff

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Yes, of course.

(I have met 2 previous cases of diabetes in Non-comms. The one I know the most about died 5 months after discharge, after being in a diabetic coma for 12 hours.)

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If his death certificate says he died of diabetes you could well have a Non-comm.

Or something that can be linked to diabetes. It'll be well worth a punt towards CWGC/MoD.

John

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That one sounds familiar CGM! Gilbert Victor Drew was a non-comm I researched who's discharge and death was down to diabetes aggravated by service (CGM helped tracked down the grave to finish the job).

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  • 8 years later...
7 hours ago, PaulC78 said:

@wulsten Do you recall where the grave is for this man?

St Margaret's church yard wolstanton Newcastle under lyme  Staffordshire 

Two non comms already accepted by mod from this cemetery 

Harry yeomans and john raftery

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If anyone could DM his service paper page stating discharge unfit diabetes not caused by but aggravated by war service it would be appreciated 

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1 hour ago, wulsten said:

If anyone could DM his service paper page stating discharge unfit diabetes not caused by but aggravated by war service it would be appreciated 

Did you find the pension index cards at WFA/Fold3?

Initially it looks like he got a disability pension after discharge. 8.1.17 awarded 20/- from 9.1.17 6 Mths, Cond. [6 Months, Conditional] - File destroyed 10/1/26 [not unsurprising as he was dead by then]

but his Dependant's claim seems to have been R, PA [Refused, Put Away]

M

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27 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said:

Did you find the pension index cards at WFA/Fold3?

Initially it looks like he got a disability pension after discharge. 8.1.17 awarded 20/- from 9.1.17 6 Mths, Cond. [6 Months, Conditional] - File destroyed 10/1/26 [not unsurprising as he was dead by then]

but his Dependant's claim seems to have been R, PA [Refused, Put Away]

M

Yes got the pension cards

Cheers M

2 hours ago, jay dubaya said:

PM sent

Jay, many thanks very much appreciated 

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1 hour ago, Matlock1418 said:

his Dependant's claim seems to have been R, PA [Refused, Put Away]

To clarify my thoughts on this - standing on its own - at best/worst this is Neutral since we don't know the reason for refusal ... since as well as a] possibly death not caused/aggravated by service it might simply be that b] possibly the dependant had no prior dependance on Harry in the first place = both reasons for a potential refusal.

I trust CWGC et al won't try to use it negatively.

M

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On 21/08/2023 at 19:56, Matlock1418 said:

Initially it looks like he got a disability pension after discharge. 8.1.17 awarded 20/- from 9.1.17 6 Mths, Cond. [6 Months, Conditional]

2 hours ago, wulsten said:

Service paper 

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Nicely matches the pension index card's 20/- pw awarded - as aggravated. 

M

Edit: I forgot to mention previously that, at that date, 20/- pw was the 100% degree of disability rate for a pension Class V soldier/Pte-Sapper and this sheet nicely confirms Total Disablement

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Just now, wulsten said:

Awaiting outcome 

IMG_20230824_172657.jpg

:thumbsup:

I feel sure you will keep us informed of progress - always of interest to see such and timescales.

M

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