Terry Carter Posted 15 September , 2004 Share Posted 15 September , 2004 Hi folks I have downloaded the two cards for a friend at work. They were his grandad and great uncle, both from Birmingham. can anyone help interpret what the info means. It does not look much to me. L R Cluley was KIA. Cheers Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavinH Posted 15 September , 2004 Share Posted 15 September , 2004 Both were gunners with the Royal Field Artillery. William Cluley went to France on 4th October 1915, and was entitled to a 1914-15 Star, British War Medal and Victory Medal. The second card shows that Leonard Cluley was entitled to a British War Medal and Victory Medal, which indicates that he didn't serve in a theatre of war until sometime after 1st January 1916. The letters 'TF' in the medal roll references would seem to indicate that they were both Territorial Soldiers. The references relate to the Medal Rolls held at the National Archives. These sometimes give additional information, ie the actual unit served with. Regards Gavin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ian Bowbrick Posted 15 September , 2004 Share Posted 15 September , 2004 The units served in are transparent from their 6 figure TF numbers: Leonard CLULEY - 3rd Brigade, South Midlands Division RFA (Warwick) William CLULEY - 2nd Brigade, North Midlands Division RFA (Stafford) Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ian Bowbrick Posted 15 September , 2004 Share Posted 15 September , 2004 Nothing in the Birmingham National Roll for either men though. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Carter Posted 15 September , 2004 Author Share Posted 15 September , 2004 Thanks Ian and Gavin much appreciated. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyspiller Posted 16 September , 2004 Share Posted 16 September , 2004 Ian How can you tell the units from the numbers? What can you deduce from this one? Regards Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ian Bowbrick Posted 16 September , 2004 Share Posted 16 September , 2004 Andy, Divisional Ammunition Column, 1st London Division RFA TF (City Of London). Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyspiller Posted 16 September , 2004 Share Posted 16 September , 2004 Ian Thanks very much for helping with my grandfather. Andy PS Just so that we know who we are talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rflory Posted 16 September , 2004 Share Posted 16 September , 2004 In an early reply Ian indicated that the service numbers on the MICs for your three men were indicative of the following units: Leonard CLULEY - 3rd Brigade, South Midlands Division RFA (Warwick) William CLULEY - 2nd Brigade, North Midlands Division RFA (Stafford) Henry JACKSON - Divisional Ammunition Column, 1st London Division RFA TF (City Of London) Actually the use of the term "Division" is inappropriate; these units were brigades, not divisions: For Leonard CLULEY the unit should be 3rd South Midland Brigade, RFA TF. The 1st line of this brigade became 242nd Brigade, RFA TF in 48th Division and the 2nd line of this brigade became 307th Brigade, RFA TF in 61st Division. For William CLULEY the unit should be 2nd North Midland Brigade, RFA TF. The 1st line of this brigade became 231st Brigade, RFA TF in 46th Division and the 2nd line became 296th Brigade, RFA TF in 59th Division. For Henry JACKSON the unit should be 1st London Brigade Ammunition Column, RFA TF. The 1st line of the brigade became 56th Divisional Ammunition Column and the 2nd Line became 58th Divisional Ammunition Column. Regards. Dick Flory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ian Bowbrick Posted 16 September , 2004 Share Posted 16 September , 2004 Dick - Sorry about that but I was quoting from the original AO instructions copies of which I have accessed at the PRO Kew. Regards - Ian Bowbrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyspiller Posted 16 September , 2004 Share Posted 16 September , 2004 Guys Spooky or what. This means that my QVRs (one side of my family) served in the same Division as my other Grandfather. Brilliant or what Regards Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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