CharlieG Posted 18 March , 2013 Share Posted 18 March , 2013 Good Evening, If I may ask a very quick question about an entitlement. I have been researching a possible family member who was killed 01 Jul 16 at Gommecourt. His MIC states he was entitled to the 14-15 Star. My question is this - would he also have been entitled to the WM and the VM but they were just never annotated on his card as he was KIA? Thank you Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithmroberts Posted 18 March , 2013 Share Posted 18 March , 2013 Yes - can you give name, number and regiment please. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandsworth Posted 18 March , 2013 Share Posted 18 March , 2013 i had this problem with a 14-15 star i purchased some time ago, it panned out there was 2 mic due to renumbering, and yes he is entitled to vm and bwm regards rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieG Posted 18 March , 2013 Author Share Posted 18 March , 2013 Keith He is 471246 Rfn William Gustave Gandar - 12 London Regiment (has a number of 3878 on his MIC) Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithmroberts Posted 18 March , 2013 Share Posted 18 March , 2013 There is a second medal card listed under William G Gander with his other entitlement. Never trust the indexing at Ancestry, although in this case the error appears to be an original clerical one. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieG Posted 18 March , 2013 Author Share Posted 18 March , 2013 Keith, a typical mistake with the spelling of the surname. The correct spelling is with the "ar" and not "er". Did you get this second one from Ancestry? Rob - looks like the same issue with this one, but with the added issue of the surname being spelled incorrectly! As Keith says, never trust the indexing at Ancestry - a VERY useful lesson learned on my behalf Thank you Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandsworth Posted 18 March , 2013 Share Posted 18 March , 2013 charlie happy you sorted it out, ive read a lot about gommecourt on the first of july theres a really good book on the subject and a lot of info in this link http://www.gommecourt.co.uk/index.htm rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieG Posted 18 March , 2013 Author Share Posted 18 March , 2013 Rob, Bought it a few weeks ago when I started researching WG Gandar - started reading it a few days ago - fascinating book. Well worth the purchase. There is so much to try and understand, or rather to try to get your head around!! Thank you for your help Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsyeoman Posted 18 March , 2013 Share Posted 18 March , 2013 Just to put it in the simplest form possible: The 1914 and 1914-15 Stars were not awarded singly. So if you have one - or documentary proof of one - to a recipient, it can be safely assumed that the BWM and VM followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchener's Bugle Posted 18 March , 2013 Share Posted 18 March , 2013 If a man did not qualify for a 1914 or 1914-15 Star, he did not see service in a theatre of war before 1916. Like the 1914 Star, the 1914-15 Star was not awarded alone. The recipient had to have received the British War Medal and the Victory Medal. (As stated above). The combination of a Star, Victory Medal and War Medal was fairly commonplace (more than 2.5m trios were issued). This combination earned for itself the common nickname, "Pip, Squeak and Wilfred". KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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