AntiqueOutings Posted 14 February , 2013 Share Posted 14 February , 2013 I am currently writing an article on Trench Wistles and had a few questions about the Broad Arrow commonly found on many of the WW1 whistles. Has anyone ever seen a broad Arrow on the Hudson & Co Birmingham Thunderer whistle? I have only seen them with a date stamp. Was the date stamp placed on them for military purposes or was it a general use whistle that just had a date stamp. I thought this Glasgow whistle was quite interesting. It has the broad arrow, but then a number one under it. Anyone know what the 1 represents? Lastly I have seen quite a few german bakelite whistles. Were these used in WW1 or were they WW2 whistles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Milner Posted 14 February , 2013 Share Posted 14 February , 2013 The arrow = Government Property. Regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark holden Posted 14 February , 2013 Share Posted 14 February , 2013 Hi, Could the '1' on your 1917 dated whistle be a part stamped 'I' for Indian Army issue? I also believe that bakelite whistles were only used by the the Whermacht in WW2. Horn whistles may be earlier. regards Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardog Posted 14 February , 2013 Share Posted 14 February , 2013 Yes-it is an I for Indian Army issue. Fairly commonly found. I would say that most dated whistles do not have a Gov. Property/Crows Foot Mark. Regards, Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntiqueOutings Posted 14 February , 2013 Author Share Posted 14 February , 2013 OK, I only saw an indian one with the I above the broad Arrow. I thought it looked more like a 1. Any pictures of Australian or candian whistles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikB Posted 14 February , 2013 Share Posted 14 February , 2013 OK, I only saw an indian one with the I above the broad Arrow. I thought it looked more like a 1. Any pictures of Australian or candian whistles? I think it is a '1', not an 'I'. Compare it to the two '1's in '1917'. If it were an 'I' it would have a cap extending equally both sides. The fact that the bottom foot is more deeply stamped on the right defeats the idea of an unevenly-applied 'I'. Regards, MikB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wandsworth Posted 14 February , 2013 Share Posted 14 February , 2013 a web site i used with lots of imformation about whistles when i was looking to buy one http://www.whistleshop.co.uk/ww1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntiqueOutings Posted 14 February , 2013 Author Share Posted 14 February , 2013 Thanks for the link. I found that one today. Pretty nice pictures on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardog Posted 15 February , 2013 Share Posted 15 February , 2013 Yes it does look like a one- but of the Great War dated whistles I have seen with an arrow placed like that, they have tended to have an I for India under it. Never seen a 2,3,4, etc placed there or any other letter than I- but open to correction. Regards, Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 8 February , 2015 Share Posted 8 February , 2015 I picked this up at a CBS this morning. Hudson whistle, 1914 date, 244 Barr Street, Birmingham address and very discrete Broad Arrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMakoul Posted 4 April , 2021 Share Posted 4 April , 2021 What about a trench whistle that has the arrow mark but has a “U” stamped over it? Does anyone know it’s meaning? thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 4 April , 2021 Share Posted 4 April , 2021 South African issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Plews Posted 16 October , 2022 Share Posted 16 October , 2022 (edited) Hi, Hi, AntiqueOutings, I own one of these whistles. However I dont think the number on the side "1904" is the date because according to J.Hudson website it wasn't made then. Mine clearly has an arrow with a number 1 underneath the arrow. Their website says the arrow is for police force. Any info on this whistle would be appreciated especially its date. It also has 22 stamped underneath the mouth piece. . Edited 16 October , 2022 by Arthur Plews Typing error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 16 October , 2022 Share Posted 16 October , 2022 I`d say Indian issue of 1904. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Plews Posted 16 October , 2022 Share Posted 16 October , 2022 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/J_Hudson_%26_Co Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 16 October , 2022 Share Posted 16 October , 2022 That’s not the Hudson website Arthur. Where does it say it wasn’t made in 1904? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave66 Posted 16 October , 2022 Share Posted 16 October , 2022 This site may help Arthur…..http://www.whistleshop.co.uk/escdated.html Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16thBNCanScotJim Posted 16 October , 2022 Share Posted 16 October , 2022 I would concur with Phil based on Dave66’s site recommendation, Indian 1902 model made in 1904. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Plews Posted 18 October , 2022 Share Posted 18 October , 2022 On 16/10/2022 at 17:38, PhilB said: That’s not the Hudson website Arthur. Where does it say it wasn’t made in 1904? Thank you , Yes I had got the information of the Wikipedia link. I went on the date because the info said Hudson were not at the address stamped on the whistle at that time. Can any one please confirm the stamped number is the actual date 1904. Cheers. On 16/10/2022 at 18:35, Dave66 said: This site may help Arthur…..http://www.whistleshop.co.uk/escdated.html Dave Thank you Dave I will have a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 18 October , 2022 Share Posted 18 October , 2022 That type of whistle (escargot - Thunderer) was issued to Royal Artillery sergeants, whereas the tubular type was the Infantry pattern whistle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle of loos Posted 18 October , 2022 Share Posted 18 October , 2022 Good evening Here is my only whistle : J.HUDSON & Co BIRMINGHAM 1915 PATENT 5727.08 1915 /I\ michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave66 Posted 18 October , 2022 Share Posted 18 October , 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Arthur Plews said: Thank you , Yes I had got the information of the Wikipedia link. I went on the date because the info said Hudson were not at the address stamped on the whistle at that time. Can any one please confirm the stamped number is the actual date 1904. Cheers. Thank you Dave I will have a look. Evening Arthur. Hudson were at Barr street from 1885, 131 first, then 13, and ending up at 244…their history is on the link I posted. I would agree with Phils previous comment, your whistle is certainly 1904 Indian issue. Dave. Edited 18 October , 2022 by Dave66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 18 October , 2022 Share Posted 18 October , 2022 I don’t have much information on escargots and I’ve not seen much printed. I’d assume that the lack of a street number means it could be any Barr St period but that the date is quite definite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 18 October , 2022 Share Posted 18 October , 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, battle of loos said: Good evening Here is my only whistle : J.HUDSON & Co BIRMINGHAM 1915 PATENT 5727.08 1915 /I\ michel That is an ‘infantry whistle’ Michel. It was still being issued, unchanged (including the leather ‘fob’) in the 1970s and 80s. Possibly even now, but I don’t know the current status. Edited 18 October , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave66 Posted 23 October , 2022 Share Posted 23 October , 2022 Here’s another that came my way today, a boer war artillery whistle. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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