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Lonnie D56

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just to get a feel on opinion of generals...

you are the primeminister and you have two appointments

commander in chief in the field ie haig

chief of the imperial general staff ie robertson

who do you choose, the fate of millions is in your hands?

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Rommel and Hindeburg.

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If we're using any nation and any time :

Rommel and Rundstedt.

Dave.

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OK I will kick off with the British coupling … my choice would be Plumer as CinC in the field and I would say in 1914 Haig on paper would have made a very good CIGS (although in retrospect this would be disputed by some - including me - as we have seen elsewhere on the forum).

Shall I get my coat ???

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Smith-Dorrien/Plummer and Haig

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Bonnie&Clyde

Egbert, I don't think you are taking this seriously!

How about any two from Monash, Currie, Allenby and Plumer?

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Gotta go for Monash and Allenby. (Though thinking about it, if he went for British citizenship, I'd go for von Moltke (the 1st) whom I rate as one of the best ever(for his time))

Dave

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I would like to second Dave's proposal

As Chris B. mentioned in another thread, 14-18 was a learning curve

Monash exemplified this better than most

being a greenhorn at Gallipoli in 1915 and outstanding on the WF in 1918

Allenby fulfilled Napoleon's prerequisite for generalship: he was lucky

In Palestine he had access to impeccable intelligence

To his everlasting credit he also knew how to make use of it

Regards

Michael D.R.

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I would go for Smith-dorrien as c in c and Robertson to stay as Cigs bit contriversal but if Smith-Dorrien had stayed i think he would have made a good C in C., health permitting.

thanks for all the feed back lads it was good to see who youd pick

Monash i believe was good

Allenby good in open country, the desert

Plummer, soldiers general

Rommel, wrong war but an overated general anyway

Hindeburg..do not know enough to comment

Haig as Cigs, i think he would have done well but Robertson was better suited militaryly though not politically

thanks again

lonnie

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Good to see Allenby getting a mention. I'd go for Allenby and Byng. If we can travel through time my ideal coupling would be Wellington and Templer.

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Good to see Allenby getting a mention. I'd go for Allenby and Byng. If we can travel through time my ideal coupling would be Wellington and Templer.

If time travelling.......

Alexander the Great and Hannibal ?

Dave

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Pershing makes my list of those not in the donkey category, French for instance, but a stubborn man who refused to learn from British, French, and tried to do far too much, at one time he was CIC of AEF and First Amry and previously AEF and Services of Supply. He was not very good.

At the time they were needed Joffre, Foch and Petain were quite good.

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I presume a good starting point for this discussion is the often quoted passage in Lloyd George's memoirs where he stated that if the war had continued into 1919 he would have appointed Currie to command in the field and Monash as Chief of the General Staff.

Of course, one has to take this with a grain of salt. The tension was between the Prime Minister and the General Staff as a class, rather than just with individual generals. Lloyd George found Currie and Monash, being outsiders, as useful levers (in addition to their genuine abilities) in the struggle between the government and the generals.

Of course, this is only an opinion!

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James

You are of course correct in stating that, being a politician, Lloyd George's motives must be suspect, however as you also indicate, he backed-up his case by providing as examples, generals with genuine ability. In the case of Monash, Lloyd George was not alone in recognizing his talents and potential: e.g.

The editor of Monash's published letters, F. M. Cutlack, quotes Liddell Hart:

"Monash would almost certainly have risen to an army command and might even have risen to Commander-in-Chief."

FM Montgomery, who's WWI service was in FF, also considered "Monash to have been the best general on the western front." (see his 'A Concise History of Warfare')

Regards

Michael D.R.

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