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bill46

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Guessing, but Naval Petty Officer. RND?

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I think Steven is right with both rating and unit - RND.

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Thanks for your help.

My grandfather was in RNAS Armoured Car Division that served in Russia 1915 - 1917 so must have been just before he left for duty as all other photos show an armoured car badge on the cap.

Bill.

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I think you will find Bill is correct. The Russian Armoured Car Division (or Armoured Car Expeditionary Force) consisting of RNAS members commanded by Lampson was in Russia well before 1919 - the original complement sailed in December 1915.

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"On 27 August 1914, the [Naval Air Unit] went to Ostend under Squadron Commander... Charles Rumney Samson... The force remained at Ostend for a few days only, then was ordered to return to England. Because of a haze over the Channel, they landed at Dunkirk instead of flying home, and were subsequently ordered to remain there and operate against the Zeppelins. They didn't see any Zeppelins, but while they were there, they wrote a fantastic chapter in the history of the Royal Naval Air Service with their forays in armoured cars. Using automobiles that had been armoured by boiler plate at the Dunkirk shipyards, the pilots, armed with rifles and one Maxim gun, drove out to reconnoitre as far as Cassel Bruges.

On some occasions they were escorted by one of their number in an aeroplane who swooped low and fired Very lights to signal the presence of enemy troops. Once "Samson's Aeroplane Party" fought a pitched battle in the streets of Douai, holding off German troops who were occupying the town, providing a distraction which enabled 2,500 French troops to escape an encirclement.

"On 12 September the aeroplane party was put out of action by a squall which smashed the aeroplanes, sending them cartwheeling across the beach where they had been staked down.

"With new aeroplanes and a new name--No. 3 Naval Squadron--Samson took his flying-infantry-armoured car-sailors to the Dardanelles to join the Gallipoli expedition in March 1915."

Certainly initially the badge was only worn as a collar badge and there is some controversy as to whether it was ever worn as a cap badge given the RN's strictness with these things (i.e. rank/rate was indicated by the cap badge) and despite badges being produced with sliders. There were two patterns of badge, with only slight variations.

There is an interesting link about the unit here: http://www.bbc.co.uk...war/rnacd.shtml

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Think this may be of interest - Doberitz POW Camp c1915.

(My ref CR 36/11)

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I also stand corrected, found another photo from Russia showing same cap badge worn by RNAS personnel, armoured car badge must have been worn on the lapel.

Bill

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Bill,

The cap badge in post #9 is RNAS armoured car.

Tim

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