ForeignGong Posted 4 November , 2012 Share Posted 4 November , 2012 Hi All Can any one tell me which Tank Bns were serving in Russia please??? I am researching a Pte & his very poor service papers (Water Damage & almost unreadable) mention Russia. The only reference to a Tank Bn is the 19th. I can just make out that he landed in Russia 28 / 7 / 1919 ?????? & that he was one of ten tank members that were awarded a Russian Medal of St George 4th Cl for the Intervention period. Any info regarding Tanks in Russia, including any books on the subject, will be much appreciated. Thanks Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 4 November , 2012 Share Posted 4 November , 2012 Peter Have a look at these notes I have on Cameron Bruce - click for notes - who won a DSO in 1919 for capturing a city in Russia with a British Tank . The city's name was later changed to Stalingrad, and took more than one tank to do the job. There is a reference there to the men/tanks involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGong Posted 4 November , 2012 Author Share Posted 4 November , 2012 Thanks Corisande, that is very helpful. Do you know of any other books about the roll of Tanks in the Russian Intervention ???? Considering 10 medals of St Geo were awarded out of the 55 OR's that is pretty impressive. I still think his papers state 28 / 7 / 1919 as his entry to Russia, so would that make him a Reo & miss the action you have. Peter Also in his papers there is a notation of a "civil certificate M. A. R. O. of Bolton" & it is in regards to his posting to the Tank Corp Depot, his occupation was Engine Driver. Anyone have any ideas as to what this is???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 4 November , 2012 Share Posted 4 November , 2012 Peter try this link - click It is an extremely well written paper on the Southern Russian intervention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidearm Posted 4 November , 2012 Share Posted 4 November , 2012 Peter Try this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Armoured-Units-Russian-Civil-War/dp/1841765449/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1352049575&sr=1-3 Gwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delta Posted 4 November , 2012 Share Posted 4 November , 2012 The men, who went to Russia were all volunteers; they were formed into three detachments. Can you give us his service number and name so we can have a look at the service records - we may be able to help further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin W Taylor Posted 5 November , 2012 Share Posted 5 November , 2012 Corisande Many thanks for the notes on Bruce - I read them for interest and found out something of note. I have been looking at a Capt Walsh of the Tank Corps for his winning the DSO near Croisilles - a pretty notable feat in itself -I'll need to check if it's the same chap. Many thanks Kind regards Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGong Posted 7 November , 2012 Author Share Posted 7 November , 2012 Hi Delta Thomas Gorman Pte 318066 I have been able to work out the following Enl 24 / 9 / 17 but was only 17y 11m Occupation engine driver. Lived at Ormskirk, anyone know where that isplease??? 5 / 11 / 1918 NSMB Liverpool No 2 5 / 11 /1918 ADR Liverpool No 86 6 / 11 / 1918 TDC 8 / 11 / 1918 Posted TC depot ----ham 13 / 11 / 1918 Posted Tank SPS War--- 8 / 4 / 1919 trans to 19th T Bn War-ham As I stated before Civil Certificate M.A.R.O. of Bolton Home 24 / 9 / 1917 Russia 28 / 7 / 1919 --------- 23 /11 / 1919 Class Z 9 / 2 / 1920 As stated the papers are very poor Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Underdown Posted 7 November , 2012 Share Posted 7 November , 2012 Ormskirk is in West Lancs, not far from Merseyside border. Stick it in google maps and you'll place it exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17tankman Posted 8 November , 2012 Share Posted 8 November , 2012 Gorman is noted on the Russian London Gazette of getting the 4th Class Medal of St George 17tankman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidearm Posted 9 November , 2012 Share Posted 9 November , 2012 War-ham must be Wareham. It's the postal address for Bovington Camp, the home of the Tank Corps just north of Wool, Dorset. Gwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrislock Posted 9 November , 2012 Share Posted 9 November , 2012 Sidearm. A regimental comrade of mine is currently working at the site of a tank drivers training course newly discovered within Moreton Bog, Wareham. The latest RTR tank magazine contains the article in question. If you or anyone else has info on the 19th Battalion and applicable to Wareham I would be most grateful to hear more please? Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGong Posted 10 November , 2012 Author Share Posted 10 November , 2012 Gorman is noted on the Russian London Gazette of getting the 4th Class Medal of St George 17tankman I did not think these awards were gazetted, as I have not been able to find any of the Intervention awards in the London Gazette. Can you please tell me were you found them. Peter Thank you every one for your input. I am slowly piecing together the blanks of his service papers. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidearm Posted 11 November , 2012 Share Posted 11 November , 2012 Sidearm. A regimental comrade of mine is currently working at the site of a tank drivers training course newly discovered within Moreton Bog, Wareham. The latest RTR tank magazine contains the article in question. If you or anyone else has info on the 19th Battalion and applicable to Wareham I would be most grateful to hear more please? Chris Chris I'm sorry, I don't have more on 19th Battalion. I looked over the Battalion's War Diary (WO 95/5457) some years ago but found nothing to help me; of course that doesn't mean there would be nothing to help you. I'd not heard about this recent find. I'm interested and will PM you. One thought that came to mind was that in Michael R. McNorgan's 2009 book "Great War Tanks in Canadian Service" there are two photos of a tank stuck during training at a place called "Devil's Hole". David Fletcher (who doubtless you know) told me that he'd never heard of the place. Could it be the trainee drivers' name for Moreton Bog, I wonder? Gwyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggers Posted 11 November , 2012 Share Posted 11 November , 2012 Peter In 'Band of Brigands' by Christy Campbell there are a couple of references to tanks in Russia, on pp 401/2. Published in 2007. I had a copy from the local library. D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGong Posted 11 November , 2012 Author Share Posted 11 November , 2012 Peter In 'Band of Brigands' by Christy Campbell there are a couple of references to tanks in Russia, on pp 401/2. Published in 2007. I had a copy from the local library. D Thanks Daggers I will see if my library can get it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrislock Posted 11 November , 2012 Share Posted 11 November , 2012 Thanks Sidearm. I have forwarded your info onto him. Very much appreciated! If I draw a response I will pm you. Best wishes Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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