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18 Pounder QF Field Gun, et al.


Dave G

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I'm curious to know if and how field guns were marked. That is, were they given unique numbers at a regimental or battery level and how and where were the guns so marked? I've done some cursory internet research and have also consulted my various artillery reference books, but other than camouflage painted examples, I can't seem to find photographs of numbered or regimentally marked field guns. Given that tanks and airplanes were painted with production markings and often personalized with names or various insignia, I would have thought gunners might have done something similar. I'm not referring to a maker's nomenclature plaque, but rather inventory numbers, regimental insignia, personalized insignia, etc. Any enlightenment appreciated.

Best Regards,

Dave

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Indeed I can find no photo of British, French, Italian, American, German, Turkish or KuK artillery piece with anything other than plain paint or camouflage on it.

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I do have reports from Ordnance Workshops, Jerusalem showing that the guns and carriages they saw had individual numbers. I would add that this refers to 13 pdr guns not 18pdr guns, but I imagine a number could be found somewhere on both.

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Again, this is a photograph of the breech/firing mechanism on a 13 pounder, not an 18 pounder, and there are markings on the breech.

It looks like " 13 pounder - Mk.1 " then some other markings, a manufacture date ? and what appears to be a serial number ?

LF

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Thanks for the replies. It would seem logical that there would be some kind of numbering system, if for nothing else inventory purposes. Odd, though that there wouldn't be an occasional pithy name or personalized insignia show up in photos of field guns.

Dave

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There seems to be no number that identifies the equipment - ie the whole artillery piece. The numbers quoted ID the Barrel (the tube and breech) and the carriage individually. However barrels and carriages could be swapped around as one or the other is removed for testing, replacement or refurbishing

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There seems to be no number that identifies the equipment - ie the whole artillery piece. The numbers quoted ID the Barrel (the tube and breech) and the carriage individually. However barrels and carriages could be swapped around as one or the other is removed for testing, replacement or refurbishing

That sounds logical. I am not sure what would be the life of an artillery barrel, i.e. how many rounds would it take before needing repair/overhaul. However, with constant use, as in battle conditions, I am sure the barrel would need to be removed from the gun and refurbished, and may not even be replaced to that same gun.

LF

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Gun numbering is a huge topic - varies a lot in detail between different armies but generally every gun has a barrel and (sometimes) a carriage number which is assigned on acceptance

and stays with the gun throughout its life.

The Ottoman guns received before WW1 and processed through the Imperial Arsenal have an Arabic gun number and acceptance date engraved on the breech. During WW1 the guns

retained their original (usually Krupp) markings or, for captured guns, the original markings. The marking schemes on 75mm Krupp export guns can be seen at: http://www.ammsbrisbane.com/home.html?L0=2&L1=4&L2=0

German guns seem to have had a carriage number and barrel number similar to the British system. I would point out that replacing a barrel on a 7.7cm Feldkanone is something that would have to occur in a well equipped workshop. The actual refurbishment of the barrels was a factory job - the 7.7cm gun had the barrel unscrewed from the breech and a new one screwed on. The 15cm howitzers had a barrel liner which could be replaced but it was a factory job to do this - the 15cm sFH13 lg could get barrel lives in excess of 20,000 shots. Some converted Naval guns had very short barrel lives - of the order of a few hundred shots.

You asked about British 18 Pounders - I have some images of the breech markings on a 1906 built 18 Pounder - http://www.ammsbrisbane.com/home.html?L0=7&L1=1&L2=17

Regards,

Charlie

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UK has never given guns a 'registration' number, and still doesn't, apart from SPs which have vehicle numbers. Some armies, eg Australian, now treat guns legally as trailers and therefore have a regn number. UK gun records deal with barrel numbers and a carriage number (usually on a small data plate).

However, although you don't often see them on WW1 photos, each battery letters its gun on the front of the shield if they have one) with a sub-section letter (A through D, F or H depending on the battery size).

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My Grandfathers diary for 1918 list the following:

Gun 1782

Carriage C62230

Dial Sight 13300

Carrier 1778

Fold Clini (?) 4512

He was on 4.5 QFs but this and the picture of the breech block (4.5 at FirePower) is evidence for numbering.

Bob

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My Grandfathers diary for 1918 list the following:

Gun 1782

Carriage C62230

Dial Sight 13300

Carrier 1778

Fold Clini (?) 4512

He was on 4.5 QFs but this and the picture of the breech block (4.5 at FirePower) is evidence for numbering.

Bob

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Bob

That last is the Field Clino (Clinometer)

Phil

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Phil

That last one is most likely the sight clino(for putting on the nangle of sight)

John

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This is the Breech of 13 pr Nery Gun at the IWM note the Serial No.

John

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Phil/John

Thanks for the suggestions re 'Fold Clini'. I thought it would be 'Field Clinometer ' before I posted but reading my Grandfathers faded handwriting is not always easy.

Bob

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