Rupert7609 Posted 26 May , 2012 Share Posted 26 May , 2012 I'm looking for further details and photos of regiments who took part in the battle of qatia 23rd April 1916, my great uncle Raymond Pocock was KIA In the battle with the Queens Own Worcestershire Yoemonary (hussars) Many thank Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoppage Drill Posted 27 May , 2012 Share Posted 27 May , 2012 Royal Gloucestershire Hussars (Yeomanry) were there. Their Adjutant, Captain Viscount Quenington MP, (Michael Hicks-Beach) was wounded and was brought in by Cpl Bill Castle, who was second whipper-in of The Beaufort. Quenington died, and was buried next to his wife in Cairo New British Cemetery.She was a Red Cross nurse. His father, Earl St Aldwyn (who, as Sir Michael H-B had been Chancellor of the Exchequer in Salisbury's government in the Boer War, died a matter of days later, unaware (it is said) of his heirs death. Castle survived the war, and was still a hunt servant with the Beaufort right up until the '30's. Although the Hicks-Beaches lived in Wiltshire they had originally hailed from Gloucestershire, represented Glos constituencies and rode with the Beaufort. The Big House (Netheravon) where the Earl lived before having it compulsorily purchased by the War Department (enabled by the 1892 Military Lands Act) in 1897 had been built as a hunting lodge by the Duke of Beaufort. Quenington lived in the manor in my village. His two spinster sisters (who visited the Cairo graves in 1921)lived on there until their deaths in the 1960's, still remembered . Doesn't help much with your search for Worcestershire Yeomanry connection, but thought you might be interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domsim Posted 27 May , 2012 Share Posted 27 May , 2012 Hi Jonathan Bill Woerlee has a good section on Qatiya on his Aussie website here: http://alh-research.tripod.com/Light_Horse/index.blog?topic_id=1116727 Lots of very good information. All the best Dom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 27 May , 2012 Share Posted 27 May , 2012 Most Worcs Yeo. casualties were at nearby Ogratina - very lucid overview here: http://www.enotes.com/topic/Battle_of_Katia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 27 May , 2012 Share Posted 27 May , 2012 RAYMOND WILFRED POCOCK Private 2195 1st/1st, Q.O. Worcestershire Hussars (Worcester Yeo.) who died on Sunday, 23rd April 1916. Age 20 Son of Edward and Bessie Pocock, of 50, Oakfield Rd., Cannon Hill, Birmingham. JERUSALEM MEMORIAL, Israel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 27 May , 2012 Share Posted 27 May , 2012 Private Pocock was on the original troopship that left Avonmouth on the 9/4/15 and which disembarked Alexandria 24/4/15. p.216 The Yeomanry Cavalry of Worcestershire 1914-1922 by 'C' publ. Mark and Moody Stourbridge 1926. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 27 May , 2012 Share Posted 27 May , 2012 Name: Raymond W Pocock Age in 1911: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Birth Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire Civil parish: Balsall Heath County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street Address: 50 Oakfield Road, Balsall Heath, B'ham Marital Status: Single Occupation: Assistant in Business Registration district: Kings Norton Registration District Number: 383 Sub-registration district: Balsall Heath ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 226 Piece: 17891 Household Members: Name Age Edward Pocock 52 Bessie Pocock 38 Harold E Pocock 17 Raymond W Pocock 15 Marjorie K Pocock 11 Name: Raymond Wilfred Pocock Birth Place: Bishopstone Residence: Birmingham Death Date: 23 Apr 1916 Death Location: Egypt Enlistment Location: Birmingham Rank: Private Regiment: Household Cavalry and Cavalry of the Line (incl. Yeomanry and Imperial Camel Corps) Battalion: Worcester Yeomanry. (The Queens Own Worcestershire Hussars.) Number: 325194 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theatre of War: Egyptian Theatre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 27 May , 2012 Share Posted 27 May , 2012 1901 census transcription details for: 36, Kennington Avenue, Bristol PrintClose National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 2397 Folio: 114 Page: 24 Reg. District: Bristol Sub District: Stapleton Parish: Bristol Enum. District: 15 Ecclesiastical District: St Michaels & All Angels Bishopston City/Municipal Borough: Address: 36, Kennington Avenue, Bristol County: Gloucestershire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born POCOCK, Edward Head Married M 43 1858 Furniture Dealer Frampton Cottrell, Gloucestershire POCOCK, Bessie Wife Married F 29 1872 Cheddar, Somersetshire POCOCK, Harold E Son Single M 7 1894 Bristol Bishopston POCOCK, Raymond W Son Single M 5 1896 Bristol Bishopston POCOCK, Marjorie K Daughter Single F 1 1900 Bristol Bishopston WILLIAMS, Agnes L Servant Single F 17 1884 General Domestic Servant Wick, Gloucestershire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert7609 Posted 27 May , 2012 Author Share Posted 27 May , 2012 Thanks all for the information provided some great stuff there Regards Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjustinhayward Posted 29 May , 2012 Share Posted 29 May , 2012 I recall there is a memorial to Viscount Quenington in Fittleton church, Wiltshire that mentions Katia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoppage Drill Posted 29 May , 2012 Share Posted 29 May , 2012 Yes - it mentions his father and wife too, as all three died within the space of months, and says that he "fell at Katia, Egypt, in battle against the Turks." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjustinhayward Posted 29 May , 2012 Share Posted 29 May , 2012 I went to the village school in Fittleton, and was looking at the memorial only recently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Damsonsp Posted 29 November , 2013 Share Posted 29 November , 2013 Most Worcs Yeo. casualties were at nearby Ogratina - very lucid overview here: http://www.enotes.com/topic/Battle_of_Katia Simon I'm trying to find out more about Alfred Rowland Crew, who's name is on the Wribbenhall memorial, who died in the action on 23rd April 1916. He was in the Worcestershire Yeomanry, but information is hard to come by. Can you assist, please? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 30 November , 2013 Share Posted 30 November , 2013 I do have a little on Crew - would you like to contact me direct? simonharveyfieldingATyahoo.co.uk AT = @ Best, Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Damsonsp Posted 4 December , 2013 Share Posted 4 December , 2013 Most Worcs Yeo. casualties were at nearby Ogratina - very lucid overview here: http://www.enotes.com/topic/Battle_of_Katia I do have a little on Crew - would you like to contact me direct? simonharveyfieldingATyahoo.co.uk AT = @ Best, Simon Simon Sorry but the second email didn't work either. You could contact me direct on skp@skpoole.co.uk and I'll then be able to reply to the email address you use. Thanks, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Linda J Posted 8 November , 2014 Share Posted 8 November , 2014 I'm looking for further details and photos of regiments who took part in the battle of qatia 23rd April 1916, my great uncle Raymond Pocock was KIA In the battle with the Queens Own Worcestershire Yoemonary (hussars) Many thank Jonathan Hi Jonathan I've only just registered and have noticed your post from 2012. My great uncle was killed at Qatia on that day too. He was in the Worcestershire Yeomanry - Cpl Reginald Lee. If you look at the website www.worcestershiresoldier.org you can see quite a bit of detail. The Museum of the Worcestershire Soldier, in the city of Worcester, also has a lot of information about the Yeomanry and there is the opportunity of enquiring on line about a soldier and asking for research into the Regimental records, for a small fee. I do know that after Reginald was killed an Australian soldier found his effects and sent them back to Reg's sister in England, but we don't have any letters now, sad to say. I'd love to know if anyone recognises a link between their ancestor in the Australian Light Horse and my great uncle's sister. I think they corresponded for a while. I hope you've found more information on your relative. It's all fascinating stuff, and very sad, of course. Best wishes. Linda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 8 November , 2014 Share Posted 8 November , 2014 There are lots of Yeomanry specialists here Linda, but I've collected a bit on the Worcs Yeomanry at Qatia / Oghratina over the years - what do you already have on Pte Lee? Happy to help... Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert7609 Posted 15 November , 2014 Author Share Posted 15 November , 2014 Hi Linda Thanks for you reply, I've feel ive come to a bit of a dead end to be honest, got as much info as I could find from original books, a visit to the museum but can't even establish which company Raymond was in for sure. Happy to share what I for I have on the battle and the regiment if you are interested? Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 15 November , 2014 Share Posted 15 November , 2014 Rupert - can't think of any source off the top of my head... Teichman is a good source : Teichman, Oskar. The Diary of a Yeomanry M.o: Egypt, Gallipoli, Palestine and Italy. Uckfield, East Sussex: Naval & Military Press, 2002. Print. and the Regimental History if you can find a copy: C, . The Yeomanry Cavalry of Worcestershire, 1914-1922. Stourbridge [England: Mark & Moody, 1926. Print. the latter has some photos - my copy is in storage, but I'll have a look when I get it back... Have you seen the photo of Pte. Pocock on Ancestry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 15 November , 2014 Share Posted 15 November , 2014 A recent book on the Yeomanry has plenty of illustrations: Godrich, E V, and John Godrich. Mountains of Moab: The Diary of a Yeoman 1908-1919 : Including Gallipoli and Palestine During the Great War. England: J.E. Godrich, 2011. Print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 15 November , 2014 Share Posted 15 November , 2014 Knew I'd jotted down more books - embarassingly general, but might be worth a look: Preliminary Bibliography for sources on the action at Oghratina and Qatiya, 23rd April 1916 Simon Fielding 04 October 2009 Anglesey, George Charles Henry Victor Paget. A History of the British Cavalry, 1816-1919. Volume 5., Egypt, Palestine and Syria, 1914-1919. London: Leo Cooper, 1994. A substantial account that places the cavalry operations of Imperial forces in context Top of Form Bruce, Anthony. The Last Crusade: The Palestine Campaign in the First World War. London: John Murray, 2002. Bottom of Form Modern popular historical account – clear summary of the Qatiya affair Buchan, John. The History of the Royal Scots Fusiliers (1678-1918). London: T. Nelson and Sons, ltd, 1925. Details the defence of Deuidar Top of Form C. The Yeomanry Cavalry of Worcestershire, 1914-1922. Stourbridge [Eng.]: Mark & Moody, 1926. Outstanding account of the Worcesters’ defence of Oghratina – excellent maps Top of Form Davies, Celia. Brian Hatton: A Biography of the Artist (1887-1916). Lavenham: T. Dalton, 1978. Details the artistic life of one of the Worcesters’ officers – useful for their social context. Bottom of Form Top of Form Fox, Frank. History of the Royal Gloucestershire Hussars Yeomanry, 1898-1922: The Great Cavalry Campaign in Palestine. London: Allan, 1923. Bottom of Form Another excellent account with many details of the fighting. Top of Form Gullett, H. S. (Henry Somer), 1878-1940. The Imperial Force in Sinai and Palestine, 1914-1918: 1914-1918. Official history of Australia in the War of 1914-1918, v. 7. Sydney: Angus and Robertson, 1939. Top of Form Kress von Kressenstein, Friedrich. War in the Desert. [Washington]: Historical Section, the Army War College, 1936. Details of the attack from the perspective of the german commander of the Turkish force: a cursory reference. Bottom of Form Top of Form Lambert, Angela. Unquiet Souls: The Indian Summer of the British Aristocracy, 1880-1918. London: Macmillan, 1984. Some more social context on the Yeomanry officers especially Lord Elcho of the Gloucesters. Bottom of Form Bottom of Form MacMunn, George Fletcher, and Cyril Falls. Military Operations, Egypt and Palestine: From the Outbreak of the War with Germany to June 1917. London: H.M. Stationary Office, 1928. Top of Form Sheffy, Yigal. British Military Intelligence in the Palestine Campaign, 1914-1918. Cass series--studies in intelligence. London: F. Cass, 1998. Bottom of Form Brief coverage of the action but superlative on intelligence background and photo reconnaissance. Teichmann, O. Diary of a Yeomanry Medical Officer: Egypt, Gallipoli, Palestine and Italy. [s.l.]: Naval And Military Press, 2002. originally T Fisher Unwin 1921 Medical officer who was wounded at Gallipoli and missed Qatiya fighting – but good detail of the reconstruction of the Yeomanry brigade and later actions. Thompson, R. R., and J. B. Ramsey. The Fifty-second <Lowland> Division, 1914-1918 ; Thompson, R.R., Lt.-Col. ; Maps and plans compiled from official sources and drawn by Captain J.B. Ramsey. Glasgow: Maclehose, Jackson, 1923. Much more focused account of the Deuidar fighting. Account of Sir Lionel Darrell c-in-c RGH Gloucestershire Records Office Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 16 November , 2014 Share Posted 16 November , 2014 From the flyleaf of 'C' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 16 November , 2014 Share Posted 16 November , 2014 ....and the final 2d from me...Stuart Hadaway's excellent article 'Last Stand at Qatia' in Britain at War magazine August 2012 - highly recommended and well illustrated!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart24 Posted 4 March , 2015 Share Posted 4 March , 2015 Hi Thanks for the 'plug' for my article in Britain at War, Simon! I also use the fight at Qatia as the case-study for the prologue of my latest book, 'Pyramids and Fleshpots: The Egyptian, Senussi and Eastern Mediterranean campaigns, 1914-16', as well as mentioning it in context during the narrative. I can also thoroughly recommend the Museum of the Worcestershire Soldier. Jonathan - attached is a photo of your Great Uncle's name on the Jerusalem War Memorial. All the best Stuart Hadaway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 4 March , 2015 Share Posted 4 March , 2015 Really good to hear from you Stuart. I seem to have been reading about Qatia for years and collecting info on the Yeomanry - your article 'nailed' the battle really deftly. Great read and looking forward to the book. Lt. Cay attached. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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