Muerrisch Posted 23 March , 2012 Share Posted 23 March , 2012 from honours published today: Bar to the Distinguished Service Order (DSO) Lieutenant Colonel James Alexander Delacour DE LABILLIERE DSO MBE, The Rifles How can you be a member of the the Distinguished Service Order twice? New one on me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 23 March , 2012 Share Posted 23 March , 2012 Didn't General Freyburg VC have about five bars to his DSO? khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 23 March , 2012 Share Posted 23 March , 2012 (edited) Didn't General Freyburg VC have about five bars to his DSO? khaki Not sure about that however, another RND character, Brigadier General A. M. (Oc) Asquith, had two Bars to his DSO [edit to add] another RND example Commander A. W. Buckle DSO and three Bars Edited 23 March , 2012 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 23 March , 2012 Share Posted 23 March , 2012 I was mistaken on Freyberg, it was three DSO bars and five MID's khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 23 March , 2012 Share Posted 23 March , 2012 Br Gen Lumsden (RM) has a memorial at Southsea Barracks: he had (I think) a VC and 4 DSOs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 23 March , 2012 Share Posted 23 March , 2012 Br Gen Lumsden (RM) has a memorial at Southsea Barracks: he had (I think) a VC and 4 DSOs. Per the Appendix 3 in Blumberg's history of the RM published 1927 Major F. W. Lumsden, VC, DSO***, RMA Still a very fine record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6th Shropshires Posted 23 March , 2012 Share Posted 23 March , 2012 The following K.S.L.I. Officers all had D.S.O. & one bar Bt.Lt.-Col. O. C. Borrett. Lt.-Col. W. A. Bowen. Lt.-Col. N. E. Money. Captain E. H. Robinson. Lt.-Col. H. E. Welch and Lt.-Col. E. A. Wood had three bars Annette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Birch Posted 23 March , 2012 Share Posted 23 March , 2012 Captain Albert Ball VC, DSO + 2 Bars, MC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveE Posted 23 March , 2012 Share Posted 23 March , 2012 How can you be a member of the the Distinguished Service Order twice? You couldn't originally but the Royal Warrant was amended in 1916 as follows: War Office, 26th August, 1916. ROYAL WARRANT INSTITUTING A BAR FOR THE DISTINGUISHED SERVICE ORDER. GEORGE R.I. WHEREAS We are desirous of providing for the recognition of further distinguished services in the case of Officers who have been awarded the "Distinguished Service Order." It is Our will and pleasure and we do hereby ordain that anyone who, after having performed services for which the Distinguished Service Order is awarded, subsequently performs an approved act of gallantry which, if he had not received the Order, would have entitled him to it, shall be awarded a Bar to be attached to the riband by which the Order is suspended, and for every additional such act an additional Bar may be added. Given at Our Court at St. James's this 23rd day of August, 1916, in the seventh year of Our Reign. By His Majesty's Command, D. LLOYD GEORGE. Link to the London Gazette is here...http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/29725/supplements/8472 Regards Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 23 March , 2012 Share Posted 23 March , 2012 DSOs are often awarded for distinguished leadership during specific actions or campaigns where the recipient has held a significant command, or level of responsibility. For that reason it is quite common for 'leaders' such as battalion and formation commanders to receive bars to their awards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsyeoman Posted 24 March , 2012 Share Posted 24 March , 2012 That's the anomaly of the DSO - it is given like a medal, but is actually an Order (naturally) - in pedantic terms you are a "Companion of the Distinguished Service Order". This is why it cannot be given posthumously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 24 March , 2012 Author Share Posted 24 March , 2012 so someone with "n" bars is a companion to the nth degree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 24 March , 2012 Share Posted 24 March , 2012 so someone with "n" bars is a companion to the nth degree? Rather like Freemasonry, isn't it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsyeoman Posted 24 March , 2012 Share Posted 24 March , 2012 No - it is an Order with a single class (so you cannot be 'advanced in the Order', like others, e.g. from MBE to OBE). Bar would equate to the 'n'th degree, perhaps - as 'DSO and Two Bars' - but you're not actually 'Three Times a Companion' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 24 March , 2012 Share Posted 24 March , 2012 Nothing at all to do with J B Priestley's The Good Companions then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelcave Posted 25 March , 2012 Share Posted 25 March , 2012 Was it Dawson got who ot the DSO and four bars?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrieduncan Posted 25 March , 2012 Share Posted 25 March , 2012 I think three bars to the DSO are the most that have ever been awarded. Happy to be proven wrong but I don't think anyone has been awarded the DSO five times (DSO and four bars). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelcave Posted 27 March , 2012 Share Posted 27 March , 2012 I think three bars to the DSO are the most that have ever been awarded. Happy to be proven wrong but I don't think anyone has been awarded the DSO five times (DSO and four bars). Quite right - DSO and Three Bars, CO 6th Queens, dow December 1918, buried at Etaples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 27 March , 2012 Share Posted 27 March , 2012 Per that impeccable repository of information, Wiki there were at least 16 recipients of a third Bar to their DSO though not all are Great War Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
servicepub Posted 19 April , 2012 Share Posted 19 April , 2012 Note that the wording; WHEREAS We are desirous of providing for the recognition of further distinguished services in the case of Officers who have been awarded the "Distinguished Service Order." It is Our will and pleasure and we do hereby ordain that anyone who, after having performed services for which the Distinguished Service Order is awarded, subsequently performs an approved act of gallantry which, if he had not received the Order, would have entitled him to it, shall be awarded a Bar to be attached to the riband by which the Order is suspended, and for every additional such act an additional Bar may be added. never mentions the term 'second award' but skirts the issue by saying that if the recipient had received the order he would receive a bar to indicate that, had he not already had it, he then would have received one. A bit like saying "if I didn't have the DSO already this little bar would tell you that I would have earned one again" Clear as mud? Clive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsyeoman Posted 19 April , 2012 Share Posted 19 April , 2012 All that's missing is the word 'already' within the phrase ...'if he had not received the Order' - I ran the language past a lawyer with some awareness of awards (and had recommended some in the past: I shall not go into details now) who suggests that this phrasing is deliberate to make allowance that you will not be awarded 1. Another DSO (i.e. another DSO medal) 2. Whilst not ruling out the provision of Bars for gallantry of a sufficient standard to merit further award. Saying 'a second award' may have been too prescriptive and would have led to more (unnecessary) wrangling if someone were considered for a Third Award (Second Bar) or Fourth Award (Third Bar) - thus requiring redrafting of the statutes. On a parallel track.. Captain FJ Walker, the sans-pareil U-Boat hunter of WW2, was proposed for a Knighthood in common with other Captains, RN with precedent to WW1. This was demurred by the Admiralty - Knighthoods for Captains? Not in 'this' war - so he received a Third Bar to his DSO. And he is an example against 'hard work never killed anyone'. It did for him. "Captain Walker died on July 9, 1944 from over-strain, overwork and battle fatigue. During his years at sea the battle had taken too much toll from him as he rarely laid back and took a rest". He was only 48... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief_Chum Posted 27 April , 2012 Share Posted 27 April , 2012 "Quite right - DSO and Three Bars, CO 6th Queens, dow December 1918, buried at Etaples. " 6th Queen's Own RWK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiegeGunner Posted 27 April , 2012 Share Posted 27 April , 2012 Per the Appendix 3 in Blumberg's history of the RM published 1927 Major F. W. Lumsden, VC, DSO***, RMA Does a DSO and three Bars not equate to 4 DSOs ...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 28 April , 2012 Share Posted 28 April , 2012 (edited) Does a DSO and three Bars not equate to 4 DSOs ...? Blumberg actually spells it out “and 3 Bars” edit; Yes I see what you mean now - sorry I imagine that, since this thread is about 'Bars', I misread the other post as referring to 4 Bars Edited 28 April , 2012 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsyeoman Posted 28 April , 2012 Share Posted 28 April , 2012 Leaving aside campaign medals - where examples are legion - the only ever British award for Gallantry or Long Service I have ever seen with four bars (five awards) was the Cadet Forces Long Service and Good Conduct Medal worn by our mess president in the 1990s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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