fetubi Posted 26 February , 2012 Share Posted 26 February , 2012 I wonder whether the fact that Chris Hobson lists him as being with the CFS is because Netheravon was in the CFS & Netheravon Wing, that replaced 4th Wing in August 1916. Funny what happens when you keep digging.. I just went back to my transcriptions of the Casualty Cards from Hendon RAF Museum - I'd looked there before, but no Whiteman, and no 7RS. I've just had one more look. Because there were thousands and thousands to get through I only recorded a name if a fatality was involved. There, alphabetically right above an airman called Whiteside was an entry reading Maurice Farman 949 Central Flying School, 23 October 1916 - steep landing, cr inj. Well essentially this has to be Whiteman, and clearly he died of his injuries - died that day - (the Cas Cards can sometimes be inaccurate to this extent). And I think we have the aircraft in which it happened - MFSH 949 (Slightly odd that this is from an RNAS block of serials, and "RNAS Serials" shows it basically being pillaged for its engine in 1914 - but there was a war on...). I would definitely say, however, the details and events above relate to our Perth Boy. Rest in Peace Harold. Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flakdodger Posted 26 February , 2012 Author Share Posted 26 February , 2012 Thank you Trevor for the additional detail. Your Casualty Card transcriptions have triumphed again. Hurrah! Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fetubi Posted 26 February , 2012 Share Posted 26 February , 2012 Hi Dave, 2nd Lt Whiteman was killed in a Maurice Farnam Shorthorn aircraft, serial number A949. The Shorthorn was a two-seater type often used as a trainer. As no-one else is listed as being killed in the accident, it is quite possible that he was flying solo. Regards Steve Steve and Dave, As per Steve's reply it's A949 !! Oops (those Cas Cards again!) Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g6yfb Posted 27 February , 2012 Share Posted 27 February , 2012 For those interested in the aircraft of 7 Squadron RFC in its early days, ie the one that went to France in April 1915, these are the aircraft I have that were used by them before they went to France. No.7 Sqn RFC Pre War and until April 1915 in UK BE2a 667 BE2b 492 BE8 373 Bleriot XI 297, 323, 681 MFSH 343 MFLH 223, 338, 355, 358, 360, 495, 501 RE5 335, 361, 677, 678, 688, 2458 Sopwith Tabloid 392, 394 Vickers FB4 664 Vickers FB5 649, 682, 686, 1617 They began service in France with two Vickers FB5s and seven RE5s. The 7 Sqn UK aircraft serials largely come from a log book at Hendon (Lt FP Adams), Jack Bruce's Serial Ledgers, Bruce Robertson's Serial Ledgers, and an article in US Cross and Cockade Vol.22 - I think this was a Sqn history. Regards, Trevor Treveor, Many thanks for your posts it seems conclusive that the aircraft was a Maurice Farman employed with 7 Squardon, I have ammended and noted this in Jeffords Book for accuracy. I did find another interesting reference in "The source book of the RAF" by Ken Delve who states that in 1913 the RFC's notional 120 machines only 46 were ready to fly with the rest under repair or damaged. Likewise the equipment itself was by no means startling, with the majority of machines being BE2s or Maurice Farmans. This would perhaps undermine Jeffords publication in the type of aircraft being used, but you have now clarified this. Once again many thanks Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 27 February , 2012 Share Posted 27 February , 2012 - MFSH 949 (Slightly odd that this is from an RNAS block of serials, and "RNAS Serials" shows it basically being pillaged for its engine in 1914 - but there was a war on...). Looking at Bruce again 949 is not shown in the list of MS11s with the RFC but A949 is so possibly a clerical error somewhere and the aircraft was A949. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickdavis Posted 27 February , 2012 Share Posted 27 February , 2012 Just to complicate the issue, there were, of course, 7 Squadron and 7 Squadron re-incarnated. 7 SQUADRON RFC BaseFormed at Farnborough 1.5.1914. Disbanded 8.8.1914 with personnel and machines transferred to units intended for the BEF. Commanding Officer Major JM Salmond from 5.1914 until 8.8.1914. Representative Aeroplanes MF Se.7 223, 338, 355, 360. RAF BE8 373. Sopwith Tabloid 392, 394. 7 SQUADRON RFC/RAF Bases Reformed at Farnborough 29.9.1914 and detachments made to Netheravon and Dover (Swingate Down). To Netheravon 24.10.1914 with detachment to Joyce Green for HD duty Xmas 1914. Mobilised and joined the BEF at St Omer 8.4.1915. Personnel returned to Old Sarum 21.9.1919 and reduced to a cadre 9.10.1919. To Eastleigh 27.10.1917. To Farnborough 19.11.1919 and disbanded 31.12.1919. Commanding Officer Captain AH Board from 29.9.1914 until 11.4.1915. Representative Aeroplanes (* to BEF with the unit) Avro E 491. Bleriot XI 297, 323, 681. RAF BE2a 667. RAF BE2b 492. RAF BE8 693. RAF RE5 361*, 617*, 631*, 674*, 677*, 678*, 737*. Vickers FB4 649, 664, 686. Vickers FB5 682, 1617, 1631, 1637, 1638. Vickers FB6 704. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fetubi Posted 27 February , 2012 Share Posted 27 February , 2012 Hi Mick, The source I mentioned of Adams' logbook at Hendon was from 10.14 onwards - where quite a few of the MFs came from. Very interesting to see the serials picked apart even more! Regards, Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flakdodger Posted 1 March , 2012 Author Share Posted 1 March , 2012 Hello folks, this is what the fuss was all about. I do hope the photo uploads OK Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirlD Posted 2 March , 2012 Share Posted 2 March , 2012 Thank you so much Dave, this makes me very happy, his grave is looked after and visited. Cheers Shirley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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