Arthur Posted 9 February , 2012 Share Posted 9 February , 2012 Hi Arthur Can you please help with the colours of following queries 11 W York 2 R Irish Rifles 2/4 - 2/5 E Lanc 2/5 - 2/10 Manchester 237 MG Coy - horiz oval 92 MG Coy 93 MG Coy- both are X's with rounded ends 94 MG Coy - circle 247 MG Coy - X 232 MG Coy - X in square 193 MG Coy - X ith shell point downwards i middle 1/6 Cheshire than you for your help with all of your assistance Best regards KENDO Hello Kendo, My source gives the following information: 11 W York = Diamond Yellow 4”X2½” Felt. Worn on Back 2 R Irish Rifles = Disc Khaki with Shamrock Green Embroidered on Felt 2/4 E Lanc = Square Dark Green 2” Felt 2/5 E Lanc = Square Red 1¾" Felt 2/5 Manchester = Disc Green 1¾" Felt 2/10 Manchester = Square Black 1¾" Cotton 237 MG Coy - horiz oval = Dark Blue 92 MG Coy = Red worn below Bde Sign rounded ends 93 MG Coy- both are X's with rounded ends.= Dark Blue squared ends according to source! 94 MG Coy – circle = Disc Black 247 MG Coy – X = Green 232 MG Coy - X in square = White Cross on Dark Blue Square 193 MG Coy - X ith shell point downwards i middle = Red Bomb on Dark Blue Cross 1/6 Cheshire = Diamond Black with smaller Diamond Red Felt on a felt Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 9 February , 2012 Share Posted 9 February , 2012 Hello Kendo, Further to my previous mail, I have found another formation sign for: 2nd/5th Manchester = Disc Black 1½” diameter Felt. Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KENDO Posted 9 February , 2012 Author Share Posted 9 February , 2012 Hi Arthur Thank you for all the info - tho i did give wrong bn number on two of them - cant read my own typing !!!. Should have been:- 1 R Irish rifles - should be square and quartered 1/5 Cheshire - pioneer bn of 56 Div also do you have info on 2/6 2/7 2/8 2/9 - all Manch Thank you Best regards KENDO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 10 February , 2012 Share Posted 10 February , 2012 Hi Arthur Thank you for all the info - tho i did give wrong bn number on two of them - cant read my own typing !!!. Should have been:- 1 R Irish rifles - should be square and quartered 1/5 Cheshire - pioneer bn of 56 Div also do you have info on 2/6 2/7 2/8 2/9 - all Manch Thank you Best regards KENDO Hello Kendo, My source of information gives the following: 1st Royal Irish Rifles Square quartered Dark Green [Top left] & Black 1st/5th Cheshire Regiment Nothing found 2nd/6th Manchester Regiment Disc Red 1” Felt 2nd/7th Manchester Regiment Disc Dark Yellow 1½” Felt 2nd/8th Manchester Regiment Nothing found 2nd/9th Manchester Regiment Square Yellow 1¾" Cotton Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KENDO Posted 10 February , 2012 Author Share Posted 10 February , 2012 Hi Arthur Thank you for info. Can only assume 2/8 Manch is a black disc - going on the colour sequence of the other brigade in the division. Can you please help me with the following:- 2 West York 21 West York 23 MG Coy 24 MG Coy 25 MG Coy 68 MG Coy 69 MG Coy 70 MG Coy 113 MG Coy 114 MG Coy 115 MG Coy 194 MG Coy 201 MG Coy 202 MG Coy 203 MG Coy 204 MG Coy 208 MG Coy 212 MG Coy 213 MG Coy 218 MG Coy 23 TMB 24 TMB 25 TMB 94 TMB 113 TMB 114 TMB 115 TMB 197 TMB 198 TMB 199 TMB A tall order but am sure they are all in pamphlet. Thank you for all your assistance in my queries Arthur. Best regards KENDO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 10 February , 2012 Share Posted 10 February , 2012 Hi Arthur Thank you for info. Can only assume 2/8 Manch is a black disc - going on the colour sequence of the other brigade in the division. Can you please help me with the following:- 2 West York 21 West York 23 MG Coy 24 MG Coy 25 MG Coy 68 MG Coy 69 MG Coy 70 MG Coy 113 MG Coy 114 MG Coy 115 MG Coy 194 MG Coy 201 MG Coy 202 MG Coy 203 MG Coy 204 MG Coy 208 MG Coy 212 MG Coy 213 MG Coy 218 MG Coy 23 TMB 24 TMB 25 TMB 94 TMB 113 TMB 114 TMB 115 TMB 197 TMB 198 TMB 199 TMB A tall order but am sure they are all in pamphlet. Thank you for all your assistance in my queries Arthur. Best regards KENDO Hello Kendo, 66 Inf Div: 197 Bde Diamond green/red/yellow/black 198 Bde Square green/red/yellow/black 199 Bde Disc green/red/yellow/2nd/8th? It is fair to assume that 2nd/8th had a black disc going by the make up of the other Bdes! However, if that was the case, then the 2nd/5th Manchester Regt would have had the green disc at that time instead of the black disc! Perhaps someone out on the Forum with more knowledge on the 66th Inf Div, or the Manchester Regt can help you further! My source gives the following information: 2 West York Arc Maroon/Buff/Maroon 3"x1" Felt 21 West York Diamond Red with letter P Orange Felt on felt 23 TMB Arc Green with Grenade silhouette Black Felt on felt 24 TMB Disc White with Grenade silhouette Blue Embroidered on felt 25 TMB Square Yellow with Grenade silhouette Dark Blue Embroidered on felt 94 TMB Disc White Worn below Bde sign Square halved horizontally Red & White Felt 23 MG Coy Arc Green with Cross Red diagonal Felt on felt 24 MG Coy Disc White with Crossed M/guns and Crown Red Embroidered on felt 25 MG Coy Square Yellow with Crossed M/guns and Crown Red Embroidered on felt 68 MG Coy Square Dark Green 1½" Felt 69 MG Coy Square Green 1¼" Felt 70 MG Coy Square Red 1½" Felt 113 MG Coy Inverted Triangle Black 1½" sides Velvet 114 MG Coy Disc Black1½" diameter Felt 115 MG Coy Square Black 1½" Felt 194 MG Coy Square Yellow 1¼" Felt 202 MG Coy Diamond Blue 3"X2" Cotton 203 MG Coy Blue Square 2" Cotton 204 MG Coy Disc Dark Red 1½" diameter Felt 208 MG Coy Cross Yellow diagonal 2½" Felt 212 MG Coy Cross Dark Blue diagonal 2" Felt 213 MG Coy Cross Red diagonal 3" Felt 218 MG Coy Disc [small] Red with Crossed M/guns Black Embroidered on felt No information on the following 113 TMB 114 TMB 115 TMB 197 TMB 198 TMB 199 TMB 201 MG Coy Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KENDO Posted 10 February , 2012 Author Share Posted 10 February , 2012 Hi Arthur Thank you once again for info - have done more in the last two weeks than have done in a long time. Quite surprised that the pamphlet did not have the follwing TMB's. I have them listed as following:- 38 Div 113 TMB - triangle 114 TMB - circle 115 TMB - square 66 Div 197 TMB - diamond 198 TMB - square 199 TMB - circle Can you just confirm colours of arc for 2 Scottish Rifles - I have them down as blue/black/green. Is this correct ? Best regards KENDO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 11 February , 2012 Share Posted 11 February , 2012 Hi Arthur Thank you once again for info - have done more in the last two weeks than have done in a long time. Quite surprised that the pamphlet did not have the follwing TMB's. I have them listed as following:- 38 Div 113 TMB - triangle 114 TMB - circle 115 TMB - square 66 Div 197 TMB - diamond 198 TMB - square 199 TMB - circle Can you just confirm colours of arc for 2 Scottish Rifles - I have them down as blue/black/green. Is this correct ? Best regards KENDO Hello Kendo, My source of information gives the following: 2nd Cameronians Arc Blue/Black/Green Hessian Yes I do have them, and I found the information after I had sent the previous information last night. 38 Div 113 TMB - Triangle Blue-Grey 2” sides Felt 114 TMB - Disc Blue-Grey 2” diameter Felt 115 TMB - Square Blue 1¼" Felt 66 Div 197 TMB - Diamond Blue 3"X2" Felt 198 TMB - Square Blue over Vertical Rectangle Khaki with Grenade Blue Embroidered on felt 199 TMB - Disc Blue 1¼" diameter Cotton Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Tom Posted 11 February , 2012 Share Posted 11 February , 2012 Thanks for information about 18 Div TM, I live and learn. Old Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KENDO Posted 11 February , 2012 Author Share Posted 11 February , 2012 Hello Kendo, My source of information gives the following: 2nd Cameronians Arc Blue/Black/Green Hessian Yes I do have them, and I found the information after I had sent the previous information last night. 38 Div 113 TMB - Triangle Blue-Grey 2" sides Felt 114 TMB - Disc Blue-Grey 2" diameter Felt 115 TMB - Square Blue 1¼" Felt 66 Div 197 TMB - Diamond Blue 3"X2" Felt 198 TMB - Square Blue over Vertical Rectangle Khaki with Grenade Blue Embroidered on felt 199 TMB - Disc Blue 1¼" diameter Cotton Regards Arthur Hi Arthur Thank you for info on 38 and 66 Divs TMB's. the fourth MG Coy of 38 Div was 176 MG Coy i dont suppose this is listed inyour source. The 66 Div did not have a fourth coy. Best regards KENDO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 12 February , 2012 Share Posted 12 February , 2012 Hello Kendo, The 176th MG Coy is not listed in my source. Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KENDO Posted 12 February , 2012 Author Share Posted 12 February , 2012 Hi Arthur Did not think that one would be listed - thank you for looking. Can you have a look for these odds and ends please to fill the gaps 2 Essex 4 Bedford 1/8 R Scots 1/7 Worc 1/8 Worc 14 Worc 2 R Irish Regt 1/5 Border 8 Border 1/4 York 1/5 York 20 DLI 9 Y & L 1/28 London 200 MG Coy 250 MG Coy Thank you very much for your assistance Best regards KENDO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 12 February , 2012 Share Posted 12 February , 2012 Hi Arthur Did not think that one would be listed - thank you for looking. Can you have a look for these odds and ends please to fill the gaps 2 Essex 4 Bedford 1/8 R Scots 1/7 Worc 1/8 Worc 14 Worc 2 R Irish Regt 1/5 Border 8 Border 1/4 York 1/5 York 20 DLI 9 Y & L 1/28 London 200 MG Coy 250 MG Coy Thank you very much for your assistance Best regards KENDO Hello Kendo, My source gives the following information: 2[a] Essex Square Red 1½" Felt 2 Essex Diamond Red 1½" sides Felt 4 Bedford Bar Black with central Stripe Amber Felt e.g. ½"/¼"/½" 1/8 R Scots Nothing found 1/7 Worc Nothing found 1/8[a] Worc A Coy Inverted V Blue Felt on Cotton B Coy Inverted V Red Felt on Cotton C Coy Inverted V Yelow Felt on Cotton D Coy Inverted V Green Felt on Cotton 1/8 Worc Diamond Green with Border White Cotton 14 Worc A Coy Square Red 2" Cotton B Coy Square Blue 2" Cotton C Coy Square Yellow 2" Cotton D Coy Square Light Green 2" Cotton 2 R Irish Regt Nothing found 1/5 Border Horizontal Diamond Yellow 4"X3" Cotton 8[a] Border Rectangle Green 2½"X½" Felt Worn on collar 8 Border Rectangle Green/Narrow Yellow/Purple/Narrow Yellow/Green Ribbon. Worn on the shoulder 1/4 York Square Red 2" sides Cotton 1/5 York Square Dark Green 2" sides Cotton 20 DLI Nothing found 9 Y & L Rectangle Khaki Numerals IX Black Felt on felt 1/28 London Shoulder title Arc Grey with Black letters Artists Embroidered on felt 200 MG Coy Nothing found 250 MG Coy Nothing found. Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KENDO Posted 12 February , 2012 Author Share Posted 12 February , 2012 Hi Arthur once again you have helped me fill in the gaps - am slowly but surely getting there ! Best regards KENDO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KENDO Posted 13 February , 2012 Author Share Posted 13 February , 2012 Hi Arthur Can you have a look in your source for the following - I think most of them are not in there though, but worth a try before I approach the appropiate museum. 9 Dukes 5 SWB 6 SWB 8 LN Lancs 9 LN Lancs 1/5 DLI 1/8 DLI 1/9 DLI 11 LF 11 Cheshire 13 Cheshire 11 Sher For 1/4 E York Thank you for your help Best regards KENDO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 14 February , 2012 Share Posted 14 February , 2012 Hi Arthur Can you have a look in your source for the following - I think most of them are not in there though, but worth a try before I approach the appropiate museum. 9 Dukes 5 SWB 6 SWB 8 LN Lancs 9 LN Lancs 1/5 DLI 1/8 DLI 1/9 DLI 11 LF 11 Cheshire 13 Cheshire 11 Sher For 1/4 E York Thank you for your help Best regards KENDO Hello Kendo, I am sorry to say that this is the last check for a little while my man as I have very busy time ahead of me. I do hope that the information that I've supplied so far has helped you! My source gives the following information: 9 Dukes Rectangle Maroon 2½"X2" Felt 9 LN Lancs Square Navy Blue 1¼" Felt 1/5 DLI Square Blue 2" Cotton 1/8 DLI Diamond Blue 1/9 DLI Diamond Green 11 Cheshire Square Khaki Cross "X" Red Embrodered on Silk 1/4 E York [a]Square Dark Green 2" Felt Diamond Green with numeral "4" White Felt on felt [c]Diamond halved horizontally White over Green Felt. Worn on helmet For those units not mentioned here from your list there was nothing found, that is with the exception of the 11th Bn Lancashire Fusiliers which I've already given you that information. Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KENDO Posted 14 February , 2012 Author Share Posted 14 February , 2012 Hi Arthur I would like to thank you so much for all the assistance you have given me over the past weeks, your help has been invaluable in helping me construct the battle schemes of British divisions of the war. There is still much to be done especially with those divisions serving outside the Western Front theatre but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel with the help you have provided me. Once again many thanks With very best regards KENDO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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