bkristof Posted 1 August , 2004 Share Posted 1 August , 2004 hi, i bought a brodie. I looked like a rimless, but i think the rim is "fallen" off. But during cleaning it up i discovered on both sides some painting, a battle insignia? is it British or US? i added pics. Help me experts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkristof Posted 1 August , 2004 Author Share Posted 1 August , 2004 the other side: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkristof Posted 1 August , 2004 Author Share Posted 1 August , 2004 the rivets, splitted, so British made... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkristof Posted 1 August , 2004 Author Share Posted 1 August , 2004 Factory: D/A 121 or?? P/A 121 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkristof Posted 1 August , 2004 Author Share Posted 1 August , 2004 the other rivet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovetown Posted 2 August , 2004 Share Posted 2 August , 2004 Dear Kristof D/A would be a shell made by James Dixon & Sons from steel provided by Edgar Allen & Co. Ltd. There is no P/A in the British helmet shell/ steel marking scheme. I would think it practically impossible to say whether the insignia is British or American, let alone which unit within either. Rgds, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkristof Posted 2 August , 2004 Author Share Posted 2 August , 2004 A colser study made me discover this: it is a red circle with a black seem it looks like there is a black cross in the middle and that the red is not filling the whole circle. It looks a bit like a swastika sign (the round version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Upton Posted 2 August , 2004 Share Posted 2 August , 2004 Kristoff, could the symbol be two black capital letter A's back-to-back on a red background? I'm not good on American emblems, but I believe the AA logo was for "All American" (someone here will correct me if I'm wrong). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Burns Posted 2 August , 2004 Share Posted 2 August , 2004 Hi Kristoff, Could it be the 27th US Division. Colors seem to be reversed though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkristof Posted 2 August , 2004 Author Share Posted 2 August , 2004 Can that be??? reversed? it looks like it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Burns Posted 2 August , 2004 Share Posted 2 August , 2004 I have no idea why the colors would be reversed but US markings were unofficial and mostly done post-armistice. To be honest I can't make much out from the photos I was just going by your description. Take care, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkristof Posted 2 August , 2004 Author Share Posted 2 August , 2004 i did some computer painting, it shows what i can see on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Burns Posted 2 August , 2004 Share Posted 2 August , 2004 Sorry, don't think it's the 27th. Really don't know! Take care, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdajd Posted 3 August , 2004 Share Posted 3 August , 2004 Not an expert on US Insignia by any stretch of the imagination, but was able to come up with three possible answers: Either the 35th (Santa Fe) Div., 7th (Hourglass) Div., or 89th (Midwest) Div. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdajd Posted 3 August , 2004 Share Posted 3 August , 2004 This is the 35th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdajd Posted 3 August , 2004 Share Posted 3 August , 2004 This is the 89th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Burns Posted 3 August , 2004 Share Posted 3 August , 2004 Hi jdadj, If you don't mind me asking, what's your connection to the 27th? Are you from New York? take care, Neil in Jersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdajd Posted 3 August , 2004 Share Posted 3 August , 2004 I live in NYC and grew up in NJ. I am currently a member of a reenacting group that portrays the 27th Div. 107th Inf. Reg.. I have no personal familial connection, but many of our group do and have a wealth of information. If you are interested I would suggest Oryansroughnecks.org. It is the home page of the reenacting group, but goes far beyond in terms of historical info. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Burns Posted 3 August , 2004 Share Posted 3 August , 2004 Thanks for the link, Jon. I live and work in Bergen County. Take care, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdajd Posted 3 August , 2004 Share Posted 3 August , 2004 I grew up in Tenafly. Where abouts are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Burns Posted 3 August , 2004 Share Posted 3 August , 2004 Born in Hackensack raised Hasbrouck Heights currently reside in Wood-Ridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdajd Posted 3 August , 2004 Share Posted 3 August , 2004 Neil; Don't know how familiar you are with the area, but on Knickerbocker Rd on the border of Tenafly, Bergenfield, Cresskill and Dumont there is a obelisk that represents the exact center of Camp Merritt, which was one of the major embarkation camps for the soldiers leaving in WWI. Just a litte tidbit. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Burns Posted 3 August , 2004 Share Posted 3 August , 2004 Hi Jon, I know it well, I've been working (on and off) in putting together a database of the Bergen County memorials (along with some other Jerseymen) and eventually getting down to Trenton to pull service records. North Jersey produced quite a few 27th men (mostly 106th if I recall). If I can ever help you out with anything just ask. Take care, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdajd Posted 3 August , 2004 Share Posted 3 August , 2004 Neil; That is quite an ambitious project, good luck with it. I am sure you are familiar with the obelisk and statue of the doughboy at the traffic circle (roundabout for our UK pals) at Tenafly Rd. and Palisades Ave, but if you go up a little further on Pal. Ave there is a plaque that lists the names of the men from Englewood who served. As my interest in the Great War grows I am amazed to find how much history and historical references are in the area that I just never noticed. I will definitely use you, thanks for the offer. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Burns Posted 4 August , 2004 Share Posted 4 August , 2004 Hi Jon, I haven't gotten to Englewood yet as I've begun to branch (foolishly) into Hudson County with the addition of a number Jersey City men I found online. Keep me posted if your reenactment group is doing anything locally. Take Care, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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