FROGSMILE Posted 15 January Share Posted 15 January (edited) 1 hour ago, RegHannay said: Thank you Frogsmile, I will look out for the book. For some reason the name Crozier rings bells .. Dave D If I recall correctly after the war he either joined the Black and Tans, or was in some way associated with them. He comes across as an intelligent and competent officer, but something of a thug. Edited 15 January by FROGSMILE Link to post Share on other sites
Maureene Posted 15 January Share Posted 15 January 9 hours ago, FROGSMILE said: ...you might be interested to know that Private McCracken and his execution were written about by his now infamous commanding officer, Lt Col (later Brig Gen) Frank Crozier, who wrote several books about his military experience, including one called ‘The Men I Killed’. The books makes good, if rather unedifying, reading. Available online A Brass Hat in No Man's Land by Brig.-Gen. F P Crozier 1930. Archive.org. The Men I Killed by Brigadier General F P Crozier 1937 Archive.org Frank Percy Crozier Wikipedia. Another online book by Crozier, nothing to do with the Great War Five Years Hard: Being an account of the fall of the Fulani Empire and a picture of the daily life of a Regimental Officer among the people of the Western Sudan by Brigadier-General FP Crozier. 1932 Archive.org. Early 1900s. Note: missing some pages. Cheers Maureen Link to post Share on other sites
FROGSMILE Posted 15 January Share Posted 15 January 5 minutes ago, Maureene said: Available online A Brass Hat in No Man's Land by Brig.-Gen. F P Crozier 1930. Archive.org. The Men I Killed by Brigadier General F P Crozier 1937 Archive.org Frank Percy Crozier Wikipedia. Another online book by Crozier, nothing to do with the Great War Five Years Hard: Being an account of the fall of the Fulani Empire and a picture of the daily life of a Regimental Officer among the people of the Western Sudan by Brigadier-General FP Crozier. 1932 Archive.org. Early 1900s. Note: missing some pages. Cheers Maureen Thanks Maureen, I’m glad to see that you’ve survived the conflagration in NSW. l cannot remember if the details about Pte McCracken are in the Brass hat, or Men I killed book. Link to post Share on other sites
RegHannay Posted 19 January Share Posted 19 January On 15/01/2020 at 20:32, FROGSMILE said: If I recall correctly after the war he either joined the Black and Tans, or was in some way associated with them. He comes across as an intelligent and competent officer, but something of a thug. Yes, just been reading a little about Crozier. Don't think I would have liked him to much Link to post Share on other sites
corisande Posted 19 January Share Posted 19 January On 15/01/2020 at 21:32, FROGSMILE said: If I recall correctly after the war he either joined the Black and Tans, or was in some way associated with them. He comes across as an intelligent and competent officer, but something of a thug. Crozier was nothing to do with the Black & Tans. Crozier was OC of the Auxiliary Division of the RIC. I just happen to have a CV on him - click Link to post Share on other sites
FROGSMILE Posted 19 January Share Posted 19 January (edited) 7 hours ago, corisande said: Crozier was nothing to do with the Black & Tans. Crozier was OC of the Auxiliary Division of the RIC. I just happen to have a CV on him - click Yes, I was unsure and so used the expression “or associated with”, as I recalled the RIC Auxiliaries (similar to the much later RUC B-Specials), and meant it in the sense of fellow parts of the British Government forces. It didn’t seem an unreasonable description? Edited 20 January by FROGSMILE Link to post Share on other sites
FROGSMILE Posted 19 January Share Posted 19 January 3 hours ago, RegHannay said: Yes, just been reading a little about Crozier. Don't think I would have liked him to much I feel that one gets a very clear impression of his character via the following link: https://theauxiliaries.com/men-alphabetical/men-c/crozier/crozier.html Link to post Share on other sites
RegHannay Posted 19 January Share Posted 19 January 11 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: I feel that one gets a very clear impression of his character via the following link: https://theauxiliaries.com/men-alphabetical/men-c/crozier/crozier.html Mmmm, you certainly would not want to lend him a few quid!! Link to post Share on other sites
FROGSMILE Posted 19 January Share Posted 19 January (edited) 10 minutes ago, RegHannay said: Mmmm, you certainly would not want to lend him a few quid!! Yes, he really exemplifies how war changes or distorts social norms in such a profound way. Edited 19 January by FROGSMILE Link to post Share on other sites
corisande Posted 19 January Share Posted 19 January I would in all modestly say that Charles Messenger's life of Crozier https://www.amazon.co.uk/Broken-Sword-Tumultuous-General-1897-1937-ebook/dp/B00ME3JLDI Is a much more detailed look at Crozier's life than my web site that you quoted Read that to get more behind Crozier Link to post Share on other sites
FROGSMILE Posted 20 January Share Posted 20 January 2 hours ago, corisande said: I would in all modestly say that Charles Messenger's life of Crozier https://www.amazon.co.uk/Broken-Sword-Tumultuous-General-1897-1937-ebook/dp/B00ME3JLDI Is a much more detailed look at Crozier's life than my web site that you quoted Read that to get more behind Crozier I’ve only just realised that the link I posted for RegHannay to see is the same one you posted above (I had not opened it). Thank you for the tip regarding Charles Messenger’s biography of Crozier, I shall look out for it. Link to post Share on other sites
Maureene Posted 20 January Share Posted 20 January The link previously quoted above https://theauxiliaries.com/men-alphabetical/men-c/crozier/crozier.html includes an obituary which says Crozier described himself as “different to anyone else”, and also refers to his lack of subtlety . Croziers’s book about his African experiences reveal a culture of heavy alcohol consumption (seemingly much more so than in the Army in India at the same period ) and I wonder whether this excessive drinking had resulted in some brain changes which negatively impacted on his decision making and behaviour. Cheers Maureen Link to post Share on other sites
corisande Posted 20 January Share Posted 20 January 3 hours ago, Maureene said: Croziers’s book about his African experiences reveal a culture of heavy alcohol consumption (seemingly much more so than in the Army in India at the same period ) and I wonder whether this excessive drinking had resulted in some brain changes which negatively impacted on his decision making and behaviour. Crozier became teetotal in 1911 and it is believed that he never touched alcohol after that He later became a pacifist too. Link to post Share on other sites
Higgledy Posted 9 February Share Posted 9 February I am surprised this topic caused so much consternation after 100 years. I think it’s sad all around. I don’t judge because I’ve never been in war and never in these soldiers’ boots. Link to post Share on other sites
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