IJDALLINGER Posted 16 January , 2012 Share Posted 16 January , 2012 Having had a relative serve during the Great War in the above Battalion, I have recently obtained two East Surrey Cap Badges. Can anyone help me ascertain which is the most likely pattern for the Great War, if both are original and if the 12th Battalion had any sort of specialised badge. Any help would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 16 January , 2012 Share Posted 16 January , 2012 Having had a relative serve during the Great War in the above Battalion, I have recently obtained two East Surrey Cap Badges. Can anyone help me ascertain which is the most likely pattern for the Great War, if both are original and if the 12th Battalion had any sort of specialised badge. Any help would be appreciated. The left hand of the two badges is the most appropriate for WW1. It has he 'braize holes' at the back that were the most common badge manufacturing technique at that time. Later on that technique became less common and many badges of WW2 were without the holes. The Wandsworth Battalion of the East Surrey's had a special badge, but the Bermondsey Battalion wore a standard East Surrey cap badge, as shown in your photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IJDALLINGER Posted 16 January , 2012 Author Share Posted 16 January , 2012 Frogsmile, thanks for that. It is much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7t2ndswinger Posted 16 January , 2012 Share Posted 16 January , 2012 They did wear a distinctive collar badge though. I cant show mine at present unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 18 January , 2012 Share Posted 18 January , 2012 They did wear a distinctive collar badge though. I cant show mine at present unfortunately. That's interesting, was it the officers only, or were they one of the units where ORs wore collar badges on their SD in WW1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted 18 January , 2012 Share Posted 18 January , 2012 From History of the British Army Infantry Collar Badge by Colin Churchill 2001/2002 N & MP: ..this unit was raised by the personal effort of John Hart, the Mayor, and the Borough Council of Bermondsey. To mark the connection, War Office approval was received for members of the battalion to wear special collar badges bearing the Arms and Motto of the borough, granted by the College of Heralds, in 1901. In guilding-metal for other ranks and in bronze for Officers. These and a special cap badge were both supplied and paid for by the Mayor. The Lion surmounting the Arms of the Borough was reversed on one of the collar badges so that they faced each other. I can find no other reference to a special cap badge in Kipling & King or British Army Cap Badges of the First World War Doyle & Foster or elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 18 January , 2012 Share Posted 18 January , 2012 From History of the British Army Infantry Collar Badge by Colin Churchill 2001/2002 N & MP: ..this unit was raised by the personal effort of John Hart, the Mayor, and the Borough Council of Bermondsey. To mark the connection, War Office approval was received for members of the battalion to wear special collar badges bearing the Arms and Motto of the borough, granted by the College of Heralds, in 1901. In guilding-metal for other ranks and in bronze for Officers. These and a special cap badge were both supplied and paid for by the Mayor. The Lion surmounting the Arms of the Borough was reversed on one of the collar badges so that they faced each other. I can find no other reference to a special cap badge in Kipling & King or British Army Cap Badges of the First World War Doyle & Foster or elsewhere. Thanks Squirrel, that is very interesting. I was positive about the cap badge, I wonder what happened to prevent their production. It will be good to see a photo of the men in their collar badges, but I imagine that they are quite rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7t2ndswinger Posted 18 January , 2012 Share Posted 18 January , 2012 I apologise for not being able to credit whoever owns or put this picture on the internet, but here's a pair being worn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 18 January , 2012 Share Posted 18 January , 2012 I apologise for not being able to credit whoever owns or put this picture on the internet, but here's a pair being worn. Thank you both for the image, it must be quite rare, I have certainly never seen one before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7t2ndswinger Posted 19 January , 2012 Share Posted 19 January , 2012 This pair were sold quite recently. http://www.clanfieldmilitaria.com/shop/viewphoto.php?shoph=51455&phqu=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 19 January , 2012 Share Posted 19 January , 2012 This pair were sold quite recently. http://www.clanfield...ph=51455&phqu=2 Yes, the badges must be rare too, although I did not mean the badges so much as photos of the soldiers wearing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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