identify regiments

[marley]

hi i need help in identifying the regiments two of my great uncles served in........my grandfather william marley(18600) served in the scottish rifles with the cameronians and i can clearly identify his cap badge..his brothers Henry marley born 31 may 1896 and john marley born 1898 have different caps and cap badges john also seems to have a riding stick in his hand which may be a studio prop? any info would be much appreciated as i cant find their medal index cards or records anywhere.

b marley

[marley]

regard the post for my great uncles henry and john marley....this is an enlargement of the cap badges before it loses detail..hope it helps

b marley

[tipperary]

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=BritishArmy&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsfn=william&gsln=marley&gskw=18600+scotish+rifles&dbOnly=_F0003C18%7c_F0003C18_x%2c_F00061C3%7c_F00061C3_x&uidh=avr&pcat=39&fh=0&h=532431

Hi Marley this is a link for williams service record.His wound stripe relates to a wound in july of 1916.john

[FROGSMILE]

hi i need help in identifying the regiments two of my great uncles served in........my grandfather william marley(18600) served in the scottish rifles with the cameronians and i can clearly identify his cap badge..his brothers Henry marley born 31 may 1896 and john marley born 1898 have different caps and cap badges john also seems to have a riding stick in his hand which may be a studio prop? any info would be much appreciated as i cant find their medal index cards or records anywhere.

b marley

The photo appears to be late in 1916 given the wound stripe and the fact that the jackets on each side are the simplified type with no pleats on chest pockets. I have racked my brains and badge information to try and ID the two badges at left but they are an unusual shape and so without success and with no ideas. It does appear as if the man at far left has breeches of riding pattern and you can see the reinforced cloth strapping on the inner thighs, so perhaps a yeomanry unit, but the badges are persistently unfamiliar no matter what angle I look at them. A stick was commonly carried by men at home in walking out dress, although the one shown is more of walking length than swagger length.

I recommend that you post your query here so that as many cap badge specialists as possible can see the image and offer a view: http://www.britishba...rum.com/forums/

[marley]

munster

thank you..my grandfather william was indeed wounded on july 14th 1916..he was in the 9th battalion scottish rifles which at that time was part of the 27th brigade and on the day he was wounded i believe they were attacking the village of longueval....regards his brothers i have no info other than these photos..i thought they may have joined the lanarkshire yeomanry and asked the group who deal with this regiment but they cannot find them on their enlistment rolls or medal indexes...i have one other photo on the same day and i thought the badge looked similar to the royal scots..seemed to have the square type points...but the badges shown here seem to have a scroll like effect at the top and perhaps even a crown when i look at the photo..but again i cant be certain.

frog..i will post on other site as you suggest

[marley]

frogsmile

here are two images taken on the same day but slightly different angle...i enlarged them as much as i could...........i tried to register with the site you directed me to and it wouldnt let me register saying it didnt allow spammers!!!...i contacted them to clear this error up.

[Arthur]

frogsmile

here are two images taken on the same day but slightly different angle...i enlarged them as much as i could...........i tried to register with the site you directed me to and it wouldnt let me register saying it didnt allow spammers!!!...i contacted them to clear this error up.

Hello Marley,

At a glance your cap badges look similar to [1] R.Scots Regt and [2] King Edward's Horse].

Regards

Arthur

[tipperary]

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/uploads/post-4655-1126168385.jpg

There apears to be a downward center point on the King Edwards Horse Candidate that does not seem to be on the badge in the thread in the link above.john

[FROGSMILE]

frogsmile

here are two images taken on the same day but slightly different angle...i enlarged them as much as i could...........i tried to register with the site you directed me to and it wouldnt let me register saying it didnt allow spammers!!!...i contacted them to clear this error up.

With this view from a new angle I feel I now have something to offer. The man at left appears as if he might be wearing the economy pattern (unvoided or fretted) Army Service Corps cap badge and that would fit with the riding breeches as ASC men generally wore the dress of mounted soldiers.

It is worth persevering to join the British Badge Forum and you will experience a lot of help there once you get in.

[FROGSMILE]

frogsmile

here are two images taken on the same day but slightly different angle...i enlarged them as much as i could...........i tried to register with the site you directed me to and it wouldnt let me register saying it didnt allow spammers!!!...i contacted them to clear this error up.

I also agree that the second badge is very reminiscent of that for both the First and Second King Edward's Horse, whose history can be read about at the following links, the third of which should allow you to look up your relatives name:

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Edward's_Horse

2. http://www.1914-1918.net/kingedwards.htm

3. http://kingedwardshorse.net/index.php?startlimit=0&endlimit=10

[FROGSMILE]

frogsmile

here are two images taken on the same day but slightly different angle...i enlarged them as much as i could...........i tried to register with the site you directed me to and it wouldnt let me register saying it didnt allow spammers!!!...i contacted them to clear this error up.

I also agree that the second badge is very reminiscent of that for both the First and Second King Edward's Horse, whose history can be read about at the following links, the third of which should allow you to look up your relatives name:

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Edward's_Horse

2. http://www.1914-1918...kingedwards.htm

3. http://kingedwardsho...t=0&endlimit=10

However, looking at the badges again carefully it is not inconceivable that both are ASC, but that they have been deliberately bent in such a way that ostensibly follows the curvature of the front of the cap and that this has had the effect of distorting the badges appearance when viewed from a distance.

[marley]

hi..i found out today that both my uncles apparently were dispatch riders.....would they be assigned to a particular unit or a transport corp...and would the cap badges match this info?

[FROGSMILE]

hi..i found out today that both my uncles apparently were dispatch riders.....would they be assigned to a particular unit or a transport corp...and would the cap badges match this info?

Among the many duties of the ASC at that time was despatch riding so yes, that would fit with the ASC cap badge theory. Other parts of the Army, most notably Royal Engineers (Signals Service), also provided despatch riders.

The enclosed photo shows ASC LCpl Lowe MM, Despatch Rider, on his 2 3/4HP Douglas M/cycle in a French town during WW1.