Diddym Posted 13 October , 2011 Share Posted 13 October , 2011 Hi my husbands grandfather was in the MGC - we have a photo, but before that we have another photo presumably the regiment he was in before the formation of the MGC. the cap badge can just be seen but trawling through photos on google i can't identify it. he was born & lived in Lincs so we thought he was in lincs reg or east yorks but it doesn't look like either. i have looked for a medal index card but there are several for Frederick Pattinson - think the MGC one is 60178. Help please!! thanks Diddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddell Posted 13 October , 2011 Share Posted 13 October , 2011 It looks like the Queens Royal West Surrey Regiment capbadge. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 13 October , 2011 Share Posted 13 October , 2011 Or one of the London regiments which wore the same badge (22nd and 24th, I think). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddym Posted 13 October , 2011 Author Share Posted 13 October , 2011 thanks will look into those - see if i can find a corresponding medal index card i suppose. Diddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddym Posted 13 October , 2011 Author Share Posted 13 October , 2011 just found on the queens royal west surrey site that: In 1908 the 3rd and 4th Volunteer Battalions left the regiment to become the 22nd and 24th Battalion London Regiment respectively so both of you right i think!! Diddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsyeoman Posted 13 October , 2011 Share Posted 13 October , 2011 With the Paschal Lamb, no-one is right, and no-one is wrong with a picture like this; corroborating evidence essential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATNOMIS Posted 13 October , 2011 Share Posted 13 October , 2011 Hi my husbands grandfather was in the MGC - we have a photo, but before that we have another photo presumably the regiment he was in before the formation of the MGC. the cap badge can just be seen but trawling through photos on google i can't identify it. he was born & lived in Lincs so we thought he was in lincs reg or east yorks but it doesn't look like either. i have looked for a medal index card but there are several for Frederick Pattinson - think the MGC one is 60178. Help please!! thanks Diddy I have this cap Badge and on the scoll it says "The Queens" Hope this helps Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Doyle Posted 13 October , 2011 Share Posted 13 October , 2011 As stated above this cap badge was worn by BOTH the Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment) AND the 22nd and 24th (County of London) Battalions (The Queen's). The badge worn by the men of these units was identical to the one illustrated. As more men would have served in the Royal West Surreys, there is greater probability that our man served with them; confirmation of this will have to rest on documentary evidence. Cheers Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddym Posted 13 October , 2011 Author Share Posted 13 October , 2011 thank you everyone for your swift replies. i now have to work out why he would have joined a 'southern' regiment when he had lived his life in Lincs. Diddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Doyle Posted 13 October , 2011 Share Posted 13 October , 2011 thank you everyone for your swift replies. i now have to work out why he would have joined a 'southern' regiment when he had lived his life in Lincs. My great uncle ended up in the Royal Berkshire Regiment, despite coming from Merseyside - and he lies in Tyne Cott having been killed in Action at Third Ypres. When I checked his medal index cards, he'd been transferred from the Cheshire Regiment. This could have been for many reasons; the fact that he was in the Cheshires then transferred suggests he might have been wounded and then drafted in on his return to a different battalion. In your case, when he joined up, there might have been a shortage of men in the Queens, with the Lincs battalions 'full', or he might have fancied a change, if his circumstances were not like my uncle. Dig out those documents if you can! Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddym Posted 13 October , 2011 Author Share Posted 13 October , 2011 I have seen what i think is his medal card for the MGC: Pattinson, Frederick. MGC 60178 Pte but i can't find anything for the 'Queens' reg. he did survive the war, died in 1945. need to check whether the family have his medals.... if anyone can find out anything else about his military history it would be great. details: Frederick Pattinson born 20/4/1886 Potter Hanworth, Lincs. s/o Charles & Betsy died 1945 Welton, Lincs. Diddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 13 October , 2011 Share Posted 13 October , 2011 Well it is always possible he started in the Queen's/Londons and transferred to the MGC before going overseas - hence MIC having only MGC on it. Secondly, the photo looks as if it might be a crop of a larger picture. Is that so, because if it is, it might be worth posting the rest of the picture in case there are identifying possibilities in the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddym Posted 14 October , 2011 Author Share Posted 14 October , 2011 here is the full photo, having had another look at it, it has written across the bottom right corner: Sidney Aspery, Whitstable. don't know who Sidney is unless he took the photo maybe but whitstable is in kent. could they have trained here?? Diddy that didn't work -try again. sorry forgot to click attach.... now its too big.... working on it Diddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddym Posted 14 October , 2011 Author Share Posted 14 October , 2011 ok think this should do it!! D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATNOMIS Posted 14 October , 2011 Share Posted 14 October , 2011 ok think this should do it!! D D Little on the small side. Any chance of a larger picture? Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddym Posted 14 October , 2011 Author Share Posted 14 October , 2011 was larger - don't know how to get it within file size but bigger. Diddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 14 October , 2011 Share Posted 14 October , 2011 Resize it to (say) 50% of original size. If that works, fine. If it's too large, reduce by another 10% and so on until it fits. Works for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddym Posted 14 October , 2011 Author Share Posted 14 October , 2011 thats what i did - but heres another go.. D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsyeoman Posted 14 October , 2011 Share Posted 14 October , 2011 Sidney Aspery is, I'm afraid, the (professional) photographer who took the picture and the '159' is the catalogue number you ordered prints from. Of no use in identifying any one individual in the picture, I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tn.drummond Posted 14 October , 2011 Share Posted 14 October , 2011 Re Whitstable Photographer. As this is obviously a camp and not Studio photo I thought it may be helpful to chase the Kent link. I've had a quick glance at Brig James' 'British Regiments 1914-18' and can find no reference to the 3 raisings of the 22nd or 24 th London Battalions having been in Kent, however the Queens RWS Regt had at least 3 Battalions in Kent (3rd Res in Rochester 1/4 & 1/5 in Maidstone) at one stage or another in 1914 - 1916. Looks to me like the Queens Royal West Surreys are therefore the better option. If you do not have access to the James book an Infantry search of the 'Long Trail' website should identify any other QRWS battalions that were at one time or another in Kent. Hope this helps FSG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddym Posted 14 October , 2011 Author Share Posted 14 October , 2011 yes thanks - i did have a look at the LLT site. did wonder about Mr Aspery!! but the whitstable is certainly helpful. D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulianB Posted 16 October , 2011 Share Posted 16 October , 2011 If you can find out which battalion of the Queens he was in, it would go some way to finding out which bit of the MGC he ended up in ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMW5506 Posted 31 October , 2011 Share Posted 31 October , 2011 Hi Diddym Just done a fix, hope you like it. Dai thats what i did - but heres another go.. D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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