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beardwebster

Hello

Need a bit of help with the attached service record.

l think the second line down says F.S. Detail, if so what does this mean?

And the last two lines l am really not sure what this means.

Thanks in advance for any help which can be given.

Alan

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roughdiamond

It'd help if there was some detail on the man and which Regt or Corps he was in, if he was Military Police (which I'm guessing at because of the "5th Provost Company (5th Prov Coy) posting, I'd say it was Field Security Details, but with so little info I'm reaching for my crystal ball.

Sam

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Pavster1980

Hello

5th ???? Company

1st R.I.R. (Royal Irish Rifles?)

Rich

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kenf48

As Sam says name and dates might help

It is most likely that he was posted to the 5th Provost Company and attached to the 1st Bn Royal Irish Rifles, who, in November 1915 went to Salonika but at the time of his posting were stationed at the military camp in Brocton Staffordshire (Cannock Chase). (The date of the entry would help confirm this).

As above we may be good - but we ain't clairvoyant...happy.gif

Ken

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Chris_Baker

"FS Details" is "Foreign Service details": that is, a batch of men posted to go overseas.

"5th Prov Company" may be "Provisional" rather than "Provost" but without the surrounding detail it is not possible to tell.

1st Royal Irish Regiment or Rifles were never at Brocton.

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beardwebster

Was trying to make image fit and lost the details you all needed......sorryrolleyes.gif

Hopefully l have worked out how to upload a larger view.

Thank you all for your time

His name was Albert Bleach Private and was wounded in Salonika in September 1918 with the 10th Hants

Alan

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kenf48

He seems to have been on the Depot or Reserve strength on being evacuated from Salonika which implies hospitalisation. As well as wounds there is a high probability he was also suffering from malaria, though he seems to have made a recovery after a few years in the UK.

Brocton was used as a POW camp and if he was not that fit (as the later record seems to suggest) perhaps he was on escort duties?

That's always assuming the word after R.I.R. is 'Brocton"

There is information on the camps here http://www.staffspasttrack.org.uk/exhibit/chasecamps/default.htm

but I'm at a loss as to the '1st R.I.R.' as guarding/ escort duties were usually the task of 2nd and third echelon units and in 1918 the Labour Corps

Ken

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Blackblue

Certainly looks like Brocton to me. This was not until well after the war ended....could 1st RIR have been there in 1919 after returning from the Western Front?

Looks like he saw his war service with 10th Bn, Hampshire Regiment.

Rgds

Tim D

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beardwebster

Hello

Thanks for all your help. Just found out 1st Royal Irish Regiment was at Parkhurst Isle of Wight in 1919, which was a base for the Hampshires at some point, maybe thats the connection !! The more l look at it, it also looks like Brocton to me as well so l am not sure how that all worked out.

Thanks Alan

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kenf48

There was a 5th Prov (isional?) Coy in the Royal Engineers.

In the mic database on Ancestry virtually all of the entries for the 24 soldiers in that unit shows they were discharged with a SWB so it seems they were not an especially fit outfit!

I wonder what they did.

Ken

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corisande
"FS Details" is "Foreign Service details": that is, a batch of men posted to go overseas.

I have been struggling with this with another soldier. Whilst it certainly stands for "Foreign Service details", I have been unable to find any examples of the men in them going overseas. If you put it into Google it is only home postings that come up. I have an example of a MGC man posted to Cork, Ireland in Aug 1920 as ""Foreign Service details"

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It does not seem to be a "normal" posting?

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C-note
On 02/10/2011 at 23:34, kenf48 said:

There was a 5th Prov (isional?) Coy in the Royal Engineers.

In the mic database on Ancestry virtually all of the entries for the 24 soldiers in that unit shows they were discharged with a SWB so it seems they were not an especially fit outfit!

I wonder what they did.

Ken

 

  My Great grandfather is listed in the Silver Medals as one of those fellas. He was twice invalided from the front, and suffered with shrapnel next to his lungs for the rest of his life. I think he was shot once also. So, I guess that company were in the thick of it. 

 I always assumed it was “Provisional” also. 

 

He joined up in 1908 and was (I believe) in the 20th Fortress Coy. But I can find no reference to them anywhere. 

 

 

He’s on here as William Ewart Clapson - picture is from Ancestry.com

 

 

 

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C-note

Interesting, thank you - i’ve read his record but never thought to go after the War Diary. Many thanks - i’ve saved that for my Kew list 😊

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MaxD

You'll have noted that the diary covers only Oct 15 to Mar 16 and he left France on 15 October!

 

Max

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C-note

Ah, okay - good spot, thanks .... i’d missed that in my haste. 

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tullybrone
On 01/10/2011 at 19:05, beardwebster said:

Was trying to make image fit and lost the details you all needed......sorryrolleyes.gif

Hopefully l have worked out how to upload a larger view.

Thank you all for your time

His name was Albert Bleach Private and was wounded in Salonika in September 1918 with the 10th Hants

Alan

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Hi,

 

If you aren’t aware the reason for his mobilisation in 1921 was likely in relation to the 3 month National Coal Miners strike April/July 1921.

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

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kenf48

Just to clarify on this thread we are discussing two different soldiers from two apparently unrelated units.  

The originator of the initial thread (from 2011) seeking information on Albert Bleach last visited the forum in May last year.  I don’t think the pages on the LLT were available then nor was the original query was ever satisfactorily resolved.

 

Ken

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