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Which railway company Wakefield line


wulsten

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Does anyone know which railway operated in Wakefield prior to the Great war researching a chap who served in the 1/4th KOYLI who was killed in action on the canal bank Ypres, prior to the war he worked in the signal box at Kirkgate railway station and afterwards moved to Fleetwood, or any info relating to railway memorials to their workers, anything appreciated.

Harry Ridge 1/4th KOYLI

(Added) Would a signal box worker be employed by Y&LR ???

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Agreed, Wakefield Kirkgate and Fleetwod were both stations on the Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway. There is a memorial to the men of the L&Y at Manchester Victoria station. There's a phot on flickr Map of Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway System, Manchester Victoria Station

Nigel

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Nigel, interesting but unfortunately Harry Ridge does not appear to be listed on the Roll of Honour or the memorial at Victoria station which is strange as his obituary in the wakefield newspaper gives his prior employment in the Kirkgate railway stion signal box, or were the employees of the signal boxes different from the railway company using the track ???

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Normally yes but the railways around Wakefield get a bit convoluted so it could be that he was an employee of another company if it was a section of line owned by one company but used by two or more. That he had previously worked at Fleetwwod which was solidly L&Y territory does point towards him still being and L&Y man though. Is his obit online of just in a Wakefield paper?

Nigel

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Why would the L&YR use signalmen from other companies on their lines? Fleetwood was also L&YR.

I have searched all of the companies listed in the publication St Pauls Cathedral Service in Memory of Railwaymen, which I find quite comprehensive and can't find him.

Mick

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If that section of line was operated as a joint railway, i.e. by more than one company at the same time under a committee, or by one company but with running rights available to another then the working arrangements could be shared. On the Somerset & Dorset Joint Railway, for example, although it was nominally independent the stations and fixtures were provided by the London & South Western but the locomotives were designed and built by the Midland Railway. It was perfectly possible for a servant of one company to work with the servants of another on a daily basis.

Keith

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two railway companies had lines through Wakefield, the Great Northern and the Lancashire & Yorkshire. The GN station was Westgate and the L&Y was Kirkgate. their is a spur conecting the two stations owned acording to Jowett by the L&Y.

If the man is not on the L&Y memorial he may have been a signal man in a GN box that controlled the junction to Kirkgate, this is just speculation but it may have been named "Kirkgate " junction.

However the reference to Fleetwood sugests he was an L&Y man because Fleetwood was the terminus of a joint line owned by the L&Y and LNWR.

The fact that he is not on the L&Y memorial does not mean he was not an L&Y man. as we know from other forum posts many men did not get comemorsted on the memorials that we would expect them to be on.

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Appointment books for several of the railway companies are now on Ancestry, see http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/news/605.htm I don't think all of them are covered yet though

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