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Royal Marines Long Lee Enfield


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Here's a riddle.

I picked up a Long Lee last week that I had bought blind. It is one that has been converted to .410 shotgun. It has been proofed and shoots fine.

It turns out to be a Royal Marines rifle.

On the butt plate we have EFD inspection marks and:

9 14

R M

1

458

L

So, I would have it down as entering service with 1 Royal Marines in September 1914. It also has a Royal Navy 'N' on the left of the butt socket. So it has more historical significance than I first thought. To be honest, it's not much use to me. I bought it on the spur of the moment to save it from a fate worse than a fate worse than death.

So, obviously it has a good deal of attraction to WWI RN/RM fans. The question is, to make it more widely available, should I de-activate it. Or are there enough WWI fans out there with shotgun certs. I would never ordinarily think of castrating a .303 shooter but since this one has already had a sex-change, I am thinking this may not be such a crime.

Any opinions?

Cheers

Steve

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P.S.

It had been DP'ed before conversion to .410.

Steve

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Steve what are the markings on the wrist of the rifle (ie what model and mark is it?)

"long lee" covers a good few.

Chris

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Sorry Chris, should have said.

It's very hot here today and I was desperate for a beer, so I was in a hurry.

It's a 1900, Enfield LE1*. It was calibrated for MK VI ammo.

Cheers

Steve

P.S. It's not a CLLE version but it has no dust cover. The bolt is a mis-match.

Steve

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My opinion on your question would be this. Whilst it is true that to de-act it would make it easier to sell and at a higher return, de-acts are clealy in the frame for the next cull. the powers that be don't like not knowing whats out there, and where. So I believe if it remains on ticket it will survive longer, than a de-act, which we may all be required to register in some form one day anyway. As a coordinator of a living history group I am advising my new members to consider S-G's or FAC's if at all possible, whilst warning of the risks to unrestricted de-act ownership. I hope I am mistaken, but I do warn of the official idea of continued ownership with no resale, etc,permitted which was being spoken of a year or so ago, as a way of not paying compensation. This works as, when you don't want it any more or you have died its surrendered and crushed.

G

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Thanks G

I got it from somebody who was going to disassemble it for spares. I'm more interested in finding a home for it rather than getting the highest price, so I will give it a go and try to sell it as a .410. It is quite a rare one so I am sure it will be wanted. I am almost tempted to keep it but I have too many rifles really.

Cheers

Steve

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Do you know when it became a 410? Some 303s were converted during WW1 and used by Prison Camp guards etc. The conversion may be part of its WW1 history.

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Hello Centurion

I don't think it is the kind of alteration that you'd associate with a military conversion. I think they would probably have removed the mag and put in a wooden block, like the Ishapore ones. This one has a metal plate crudely brazed across the mag well.

Cheers

Steve

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It would be interesting if it had gone through the hands of a gentleman called Morrison of Thurnby, Leicestershire, who had a long-running militaria business in the early 1970's when I bought from him. He had a lot of good old British Army items, pre-WW1 and beyond, as well as having stocks of re-bored British military rifles for sale - SMLE, Ross, etc etc. has anyone heard of him ? His shop was near the railway station. I used to deal with him through the mail and phone, after an add I saw in Exchange & Mart.

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Dear old Morrisons, I think I have one of his dublicated lists somewhere, 08 webbing sets £8-10-6 if I remember correctly. I think it was him who put all the scarlet tunics and other uniform onto the late 60's market.

G

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Here are some pics of the rifle in question

Steve

AND ANOTHER

Two more

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