RaySearching Posted 14 February , 2011 Share Posted 14 February , 2011 I came across the following headstone and as it contained a soldier D O W Gallipoli I added it to Bob Pikes ( Gallipoli brothers Brothers killed at least 1 on Gallipoli ),Thread Transcript of the Stone IN LOVING MEMORY OF SONS OF CHARLES + ANNIE WHITFIELD WHO ANSWERED THE GREAT CALL 1914-1918 DRIVER CHARLES WHITFIELD R F A GALLIPOLI MESOPOTANIA DIED AT ?????? INDIA OCT 25 1918 AGED 25 YEARS ALSO Pt JOHN WM WHITFIELD 6TH YORKS DIED OCT 14th 1919 AGED 21 YEARS ALSO CHARLES FATHER OF THE ABOVE BELOVED HUSBAND OF ANNIE WHITFIELD LOST AT SEA SEPT 13 1922 AGED 58 YEARS Confirmation of identity 1911 census No problem with Charles Driver C WHITFIELD 33859, 69th Bty., Royal Field Artillery who died on 25 October 1918 KIRKEE 1914-1918 MEMORIAL Try as I may I cannot Find any John William Whitfied on Cwgc or Swgw to match up with the above details on the Memorial Both name,s are on Middlesbrough War Memorial I cannot find a J W Witfield on Free BMD or Ancestery who died in 1919 but ironicaly there is one on the Tees valley indexes who died in 1919 who may be him I have also found a medal card for a J W Whitfield , Who ,I dont seem to be able to find either It matches and states Died it could be him or it may not I dont even Know at this point in time if John William Whitfield was a Serving soldier when he died the memorial indicates he was Here is the MIC who,s Medal card is it ? could this be a non Commemoration any assistance appreciated Regards Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 14 February , 2011 Share Posted 14 February , 2011 Is this your man? J Whitfield " Whitfield, JohnWilliam. John Whitfield was Sunderland born, lived in South Bank and enlisted in Middlesbrough to serve with the 6th battalion of the East Yorkshire Regiment. With the battalion involved in the Operations on the Ancre, Private Whitfield died on January 23rd 1917 and today lies in Varennes Military Cemetery situated south west of Acheux on the Somme. " From HERE Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 14 February , 2011 Author Share Posted 14 February , 2011 Hi Mike I did Have a look at that one Nothing seems to match 1911 census says Birth Middlesbrough whilst in the 6th Bn East Yorks Not Yorks (green Howards ) ? different date of death and you would have thought the family would have known when he died Thanks for the reply Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 14 February , 2011 Share Posted 14 February , 2011 Ray, There is a John W Whitfield's death registered in 1919 in Middlesborough aged 21 in the GRO Middlesbro / 9D / 649 / 4 qt / 1919 Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piorun Posted 14 February , 2011 Share Posted 14 February , 2011 If the lad died in '17, he'd only have been 18 years old and, while it's possible, it's not likely, especially given the other discrepancies. If he died in October 1919, it's also unlikely, tho' not impossible, that he would be listed by CWGC or SDGW. An MIC would only exist if the lad served overseas. Born in 1899, he'd only have been 15 when the War broke out but could have enlisted legally before it was over. The MIC posted is a possibility. Antony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 15 February , 2011 Author Share Posted 15 February , 2011 Ray, There is a John W Whitfield's death registered in 1919 in Middlesborough aged 21 in the GRO Middlesbro / 9D / 649 / 4 qt / 1919 Grant Thanks Grant I now believe the above is John William Whitfield,s Death Registration it matches with the headstone I have been doing a bit of digging on genealogy sites and I have Come up with the following John William Whitfield was born in Middlesbrough He can be found residing with his parents on the 1901 census aged 2 at 69 Pelham Street Middlesbrough His Parents as Memorial (Father) Charles a Ships Steward vessel "Nicolas" Fate presumed Drowned in 1922 (mother ) Annie Whitfield nee Langley His brother Charles on the memorial died at Deolali near Bombay India I now believe this is the grave of John William Whitfield as the headstone has only a commemoration on it for his father and brother there is no indication on the stone of anybody else interned in the grave so logic tells me this is the final resting place of John William Whitfield so it appears that John William Died at home his death may or may not be attributed to his war service as there is no Cwgc Commemoration and also between 1918-1919 this was the peak of the spanish influenza pandemic another possible cause of his death I may consider obtaining his Death Cirtificate to see if he is a non Com Regards Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 15 February , 2011 Share Posted 15 February , 2011 The local newspaper or cemetery records should confirm it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 15 February , 2011 Share Posted 15 February , 2011 Ray Well worth getting the death cert in this case to see what's what. Feel free to consult with us at the In From the Cold Project when you've got it. As I think you know, if it looks like a runner we are able to refund the certificate cost to you. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 15 February , 2011 Author Share Posted 15 February , 2011 Ray Well worth getting the death cert in this case to see what's what. Feel free to consult with us at the In From the Cold Project when you've got it. As I think you know, if it looks like a runner we are able to refund the certificate cost to you. John Hi John I am going to have a look in the in the local reference library when time permits ,to check out the the local paper around the Time he died before purchasing the death Cert Regards Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 16 February , 2011 Share Posted 16 February , 2011 Ray, In TNA there is a seamans record for a Charles Arthur WHITFIELD, born Middlesborough - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=7125326&queryType=1&resultcount=9 I cant see in the census or the BDM's that your chaps father has Arthur as a middle name, but there is a Charles WHITFIELD in 1881 listed as an Engineers Steward (which sounds like a Navy title) aged 16. Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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