jagjetta Posted 14 October , 2010 Share Posted 14 October , 2010 Greetings, Attached are a few photos of what I believe to be an 1895 Pattern Officer's sword but I can't, for the life of me, determine what the royal cypher is. Can anyone help a Anglo-deficient fellow-forum member on this one? Many thanks, John Two more photos: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 14 October , 2010 Share Posted 14 October , 2010 My eyes are not the best, but you may have better luck looking at the crown first, it looks a bit like the Crown of Persia, but I would need to see an enlargement. good luck khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 14 October , 2010 Share Posted 14 October , 2010 Any chance of a larger version of that first image. It is difficult for me to tell from the posted pictures but it looks like GR to me.....a larger version of the first one that shows some details of the crown/letters would really help. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagjetta Posted 14 October , 2010 Author Share Posted 14 October , 2010 Any chance of a larger version of that first image. It is difficult for me to tell from the posted pictures but it looks like GR to me.....a larger version of the first one that shows some details of the crown/letters would really help. Chris Sorry...having a hard time getting photos to fit the acceptable size format. Will try a detail here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.G. Hopkins Posted 14 October , 2010 Share Posted 14 October , 2010 It looks like an Indian Police sword of some sort. A better shot of the cypher would be helpful, as already stated. Also, the hilt pattern is not that of 1895, but an adaptation of the P1827 Rifle Officer's Sword hilt. Out of curiosity, is the blade decorated? If so, can you describe the decoration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagjetta Posted 14 October , 2010 Author Share Posted 14 October , 2010 My eyes are not the best, but you may have better luck looking at the crown first, it looks a bit like the Crown of Persia, but I would need to see an enlargement. good luck khaki Another attempt at showing detail: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagjetta Posted 14 October , 2010 Author Share Posted 14 October , 2010 It looks like an Indian Police sword of some sort. A better shot of the cypher would be helpful, as already stated. Also, the hilt pattern is not that of 1895, but an adaptation of the P1827 Rifle Officer's Sword hilt. Out of curiosity, is the blade decorated? If so, can you describe the decoration? Blade is plain, 83cm long with a single fuller about 57.5cm long from the ricasso. Blade has been heavily polished and only a fragment of stamp remains on ricasso. Looks like: "Adel & Co." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 14 October , 2010 Share Posted 14 October , 2010 It does look like the type/style of cypher used for example by the indian police or palestine police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.G. Hopkins Posted 14 October , 2010 Share Posted 14 October , 2010 I am not familiar with regulations governing these swords (if any), but based on the blade--which appears to be single edged--I think it may be pre-1892 in origin. In 1892 a new blade of "dumbbell" cross section was introduced for infantry officers' swords, and is still the regulation blade found on P1897 infantry officers' swords. If it does in fact date to before 1892, then I do not think it would be much older than c.1890. If it has a P1892 blade and my eyes were tricked, then disregard the above! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.G. Hopkins Posted 14 October , 2010 Share Posted 14 October , 2010 You may find this topic to be enlightening: http://www.swordforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92888&highlight=indian+police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagjetta Posted 14 October , 2010 Author Share Posted 14 October , 2010 You may find this topic to be enlightening: http://www.swordforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92888&highlight=indian+police Thank you so much for your help! I am not sure what you mean by a "dumbell shaped" blade. I am really not too conversant on swords. The blade on this one has a flat spine, single, wide fuller and has not been sharpened. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpetermoss Posted 14 October , 2010 Share Posted 14 October , 2010 [] My eyes are not the best, but you may have better luck looking at the crown first, it looks a bit like the Crown of Persia, but I would need to see an enlargement. good luck khaki Is this the Persian Crown you were thinking of? Taken from Wikipedia. Looks more like the basic Kings Crown on this R.E.M.E. badge to me. attachment=129265:Kings Crown R.E.M.E..JPG Regards Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.G. Hopkins Posted 14 October , 2010 Share Posted 14 October , 2010 "Dumbbell" refers to the cross section of the blade. The P1892 is said to have a dumbbell cross section (and is oriented to thrusting), while its predecessor, the P1845 blade has a more traditional single edged cut and thrust design. See my crude MS Paint mock up to see what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 14 October , 2010 Share Posted 14 October , 2010 Thanks Peter for the illustration of the Persian Crown, yes that's what I thought it was, but now with the enlargement it is clear it is a British crown. I will leave the rest to the sword experts. regards khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagjetta Posted 15 October , 2010 Author Share Posted 15 October , 2010 "Dumbbell" refers to the cross section of the blade. The P1892 is said to have a dumbbell cross section (and is oriented to thrusting), while its predecessor, the P1845 blade has a more traditional single edged cut and thrust design. See my crude MS Paint mock up to see what I mean. Absolutely wonderful illustration! I Understand! The sword in question does have the P1845-style blade. Thank you John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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