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Hi,do you have a name for your man? may be Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders collar badge?

T Mciver.?

Gary

Edit way way off.

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This must be him?

Name: BALLS, JOHN

Initials: J

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment/Service: West Yorkshire Regiment (Prince of Wales's Own)

Unit Text: 2nd Bn.

Age: 19

Date of Death: 22/02/1918

Service No: 60196

Additional information: Son of James and Ruth Balls, of West Row, Mildenhall, Suffolk.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 42 to 47 and 162.

Memorial: TYNE COT MEMORIAL

If this is your man he has 22 pages of service records on Ancestry.

all the best

Gary.

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Post 4 cannot be right: age at death far too young for the photo.

Definites:

he is a bandsman wearing the old band badge, which had a long overlap in period 1900 to 1914 with the new one. I cannot distinguish which crown is at top of badge, this might help if QVC!

he is wearing the pre-1902 dress tunic with white piping at base of collar

he is British Line Infantry

He is not in India or a hot colony ....... where frock was worn, not tunic.

Now for the doubts:

I think the collar is a different colour from tunic and this, taken with the white piping, suggests a Royal regiment. However, I cannot see the cuffs properly, but think they are jam-pot pre-1902 [ie straight round band at lower arm] but there is no piping, which is strange.

A close-up of cuffs might help

Draw Frogsmile and Graham Stewart attention to this thread .... I am sure they can contribute.

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I think you'll find he's Royal Irish Fusiliers. It's a double collar badge of a seperate coronet/crown and a flaming grenade. The glengarry was worn universally throughout the army during this period, and not exclusively by Scots units.

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I think you'll find he's Royal Irish Fusiliers. It's a double collar badge of a seperate coronet/crown and a flaming grenade. The glengarry was worn universally throughout the army during this period, and not exclusiv wely by Scots units.

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I concur old friend. RIF with distinct 2-part collar badge of grenade and coronet (the latter to reflect the favour of (the then) Princess Victoria). He is also wearing the large grenade badge on his glengarry, as worn (with variations) by all fusilier regts, initially with the regimental number at centre and later a distinct 'device', which for the RIF was a Napoleonic eagle.

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and are we on pre-1902 please?

I think that the jam pot cuffs and glengarry indicate pre-1902, yes David. As a bandsman he may well have been killed bearing a stretcher or in an aid post.

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  • 2 years later...

OMG! Just read this thread and realized that the picture is of my great great great uncle, John Balls just like you said i have checked all the infomation and it all matches. I have been trying to find a picture of him for so so long. :)

Ellen :poppy:

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What a pleasent suprise. We are going to see his name on the Tyne Cot Memorial next year.

This is the infomation i have about him:-

Rank: Private

Service No. 60169

2nd West Yorshires

Born: West Row

Enlisted: Newmarket

Died 22/Feb/1918

K.I.A Belgium Age 19

Tyne Cot Memorial Belgim Panel 42 to 47 and 162

Son of James and Ruth Balls of West Row

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What a pleasent suprise. We are going to see his name on the Tyne Cot Memorial next year.

This is the infomation i have about him:-

Rank: Private

Service No. 60169

2nd West Yorshires

Born: West Row

Enlisted: Newmarket

Died 22/Feb/1918

K.I.A Belgium Age 19

Tyne Cot Memorial Belgim Panel 42 to 47 and 162

Son of James and Ruth Balls of West Row

Ellen read the thread again. The details may well be of your relative, but the photo cannot be going by his age and uniform. The young man shown is a bandsman (i.e. a musician), as indicated by his shoulder wings and the special proficiency badge on his right upper arm. He is also wearing the insignia of the Royal Irish Fusiliers and not the West Yorks.

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We can not find alot on his war records but we now that before the war that he was a bandsman, we have the same picture of him on our ancestery page but we were not sure if it was of him.

Ellen read the thread again. The details may well be of your relative, but the photo cannot be going by his age and uniform. The young man shown is a bandsman (i.e. a musician), as indicated by his shoulder wings and the special proficiency badge on his right upper arm. He is also wearing the insignia of the Royal Irish Fusiliers and not the West Yorks.

My mum thought the same thing about the age.

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We can not find alot on his war records but we now that before the war that he was a bandsman, we have the same picture of him on our ancestery page but we were not sure if it was of him.

My mum thought the same thing about the age.

Perhaps he transferred between regiments, but you need more information to corroborate it is actually him.

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Yes, it has been very difficult trying to find a picture of him because there seems thats there is always something wrong or something doesnt fit in all the pictures that we find of him.

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