fritz Posted 30 September , 2010 Share Posted 30 September , 2010 Hello, recently I could get this pic on ebay. On the backsite is written in German: Westl. des Sprengtrichters die Ortschaft Roclincourt. In English "Western of the explosive crater the village of Roclincourt." Roclincourt is near Arras. Are their still today remains of it? Fritz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Bennitt Posted 30 September , 2010 Share Posted 30 September , 2010 Hi Fritz, this could be one of the three craters between Arras and Roclincourt blown by the Germans in June 1916 and known by the British as Claude, Cuthbert and Clarence. Claude and Clarence are still there. The attack caught a company of the 15th Royal Warwicks, the 2nd Birmingham Pals, including my great-uncle, whose body was never recovered. His name is on the Arras memorial. A picture of Claude today is here. You can click on the picture to enlarge it. I have visited the scene: one crater is still accessible, the other is fenced off. There was another picture on Chris Baker's LLT site, but he seems to have removed it while he revamps. cheers Martin B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritz Posted 30 September , 2010 Author Share Posted 30 September , 2010 Hi Martin, thanks for your reply. I googled a little bit and discovered this map with the craters you mentioned. Best wishes Fritz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 30 September , 2010 Share Posted 30 September , 2010 fritz As has been mentioned, the two caters are still there, both of which have been used to dump rubbish in. Claude has been fenced off but the Imperial War Museum has a photograph of it being used as a British observation post. My grandfather was in the trenches immediately behind and to the left of it on 9th April 1917 with the 10th Lincolns, the Grimsby Chums. TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimSmithson Posted 30 September , 2010 Share Posted 30 September , 2010 The C family are well known, however, given the name Roclincourt could have meant one of the K family of craters further north and therefore nearer to the village. See map below. JIm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritz Posted 1 October , 2010 Author Share Posted 1 October , 2010 Hi Jim, yes, I think you are right. It must be one of the K-craters. But I can´t see anything on Google map. Fritz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimSmithson Posted 14 December , 2010 Share Posted 14 December , 2010 Just remembered I had a photo of Clarence and Claude for those interested. Clarence on the left, Bailleul Rd West Cemetery visible on the right. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Tucker Posted 14 December , 2010 Share Posted 14 December , 2010 I guided our Birmingham WFA group to this spot in October and explained the German raid on the 15th Warwicks(2nd Bham Pals) on June 4 1916 when the three mines were blown. It is a quiet spot except on Sunday mornings when the local gun club arrive - they have a base inside the area of Claud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Banning Posted 14 December , 2010 Share Posted 14 December , 2010 The entrance to Claude - note the Propriété privée sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritz Posted 15 December , 2010 Author Share Posted 15 December , 2010 Thanks for this additions. Fritz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimSmithson Posted 15 December , 2010 Share Posted 15 December , 2010 Hi Fritz I looked up the other craters whilst in the area last time. Two of them (Kite and King) are marked on an older 1:25000 map but there is no sign of them any more except some rough ground around where King was. Hope the Arbitur marathon is almost over for you! Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello hello Posted 6 May Share Posted 6 May On 01/10/2010 at 00:45, Martin Bennitt said: Hi Fritz, this could be one of the three craters between Arras and Roclincourt blown by the Germans in June 1916 and known by the British as Claude, Cuthbert and Clarence. Claude and Clarence are still there. The attack caught a company of the 15th Royal Warwicks, the 2nd Birmingham Pals, including my great-uncle, whose body was never recovered. His name is on the Arras memorial. A picture of Claude today is here. You can click on the picture to enlarge it. I have visited the scene: one crater is still accessible, the other is fenced off. There was another picture on Chris Baker's LLT site, but he seems to have removed it while he revamps. cheers Martin B http://tmapper.com 51b.G.12.a.25.74 Claude Crater 51b.G.12.a.22.40 Clarence Crater 51b.G.12.a.25.16 Cuthbert Crater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello hello Posted 6 May Share Posted 6 May On 01/10/2010 at 05:04, JimSmithson said: The C family are well known, however, given the name Roclincourt could have meant one of the K family of craters further north and therefore nearer to the village. See map below. <snip> JIm http://tmapper.com 51b.A.30.c.47.17 Kite Carter 51b.G.6.a.48.46 Kick Crater 51b.G.6.a.51.17 Kent Crater use only the map reference to find them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin GWF TEAM Posted 7 May Admin Share Posted 7 May On 06/05/2024 at 12:34, Hello hello said: http://tmapper.com 51b.G.12.a.25.74 Claude Crater 51b.G.12.a.22.40 Clarence Crater 51b.G.12.a.25.16 Cuthbert Crater Welcome to the GWF Hello hello, In the 'Spirit' of the forum, it would be courteous of you to add a short paragraph that explains your findings and your interest in this thread. GWF TEAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin GWF TEAM Posted 7 May Admin Share Posted 7 May On 06/05/2024 at 12:36, Hello hello said: http://tmapper.com 51b.A.30.c.47.17 Kite Carter 51b.G.6.a.48.46 Kick Crater 51b.G.6.a.51.17 Kent Crater use only the map reference to find them Hello hello, again, in the 'Spirit' of the forum, it would be courteous of you to add a short paragraph that explains your findings and your interest in this thread. GWF TEAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello hello Posted 7 May Share Posted 7 May GWF TEAM, 'Spirit' is a wonderful concept and in keeping with that ethos assistance and sharing is a primary motivation as I learn more about using the various tools that are becoming more stable and useful in the great swamp ringed by goat track, that internet thing. Nothing to explain and my interest in this thread is nothing other than taking on the exercise of geo-locating to a map reference that seemed wanting. HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted 7 May Share Posted 7 May I tried 51b.A.30.c.47.17 for Kite Crater in TrenchMapper by putting in 51b.A.30.c.47.17 and clicking Convert. Searching for Kite gives Kite Crater but at 51b.G.6.a.5.2 Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz Posted 7 May Share Posted 7 May bear in mind, also that the thread concerned is over 13 years old since last reply. there are many members that are no longer researching or even alive on the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello hello Posted 7 May Share Posted 7 May Hi Howard, Something is wrong here... TrenchMapper unless Jim was wrong with his labeling as that is what I relied upon matching the craters in TMapper. Have used his naming from north to south... 51b.A.30.c.42.65, King Trench (on the road, JS match) 51b.A.30.c.47.17 Kite Carter (JS match) 51b.G.6.a.48.46 Kick Crater (JS match) 51b.G.6.a.51.17 Kent Crater (JS match) Kite 51b.G.6.a.5.2 is within a whisker of TMapper's Kent Crater. Also note that none of these "K" craters as craters are listed in TMapper as such, but a few "K" trenches are and a few adjoin the holes in the ground. HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hello hello Posted 7 May Share Posted 7 May 1 hour ago, chaz said: bear in mind, also that the thread concerned is over 13 years old since last reply. there are many members that are no longer researching or even alive on the forum. ACK HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 7 May Admin Share Posted 7 May Can you translate please for this dinosaur? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted 7 May Share Posted 7 May (edited) Have a look at m_012167 in TrenchMapper. Right click and choose Map ID jump with ID=m_012167. Also m_001610 and a few others. Change maps in the left panel. tmapper is Bill's site, the same Bill who is developing TrenchMapper. The data sources are the same. Howard Name: The Battle of Arras Sheet: 51B NW 1 & NW 3 [parts of] Scale: 1:10,000 Edition: 9/04/1917 Annotated . Printed 14/04/1917 Id: m_012167 Edited 7 May by Howard Forgot the map! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteStarLine Posted 7 May Share Posted 7 May 4 hours ago, Michelle Young said: Can you translate please for this dinosaur? Hi Michelle, ACK is military slang for Acknowledged. Our new member is very keen but isn't yet sharing a lot about themself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Baker Posted 8 May Share Posted 8 May The early part of this thread refers to my article on these craters. I must have been doing something to it in 2010, but it's all still there. https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/the-fight-for-claude-clarence-and-cuthbert-craters/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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