museumtom Posted 15 August , 2010 Share Posted 15 August , 2010 I often come across this in older names like Sir John Parnell, Bart.It does not seem to mean Bartholemew but maybe I am wrong. I would apprciate your views, please. Regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekb Posted 15 August , 2010 Share Posted 15 August , 2010 Hi Tom, Baronet I believe. Regards, Derek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 15 August , 2010 Share Posted 15 August , 2010 Hi Tom, Baronet I believe. Regards, Derek. Correct - hence the Sir. Baronet is the lowest level of hereditary title, it is often shorted to Bt rather than Bart. The abbreviation is included to indicate that the Sir was inherited rather than earned. Sir Mark Thatcher is a Bart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 15 August , 2010 Author Share Posted 15 August , 2010 Thaks guys, if I had not posted here I would never have known. Much appreciated. kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 15 August , 2010 Share Posted 15 August , 2010 The abbreviation is included to indicate that the Sir was inherited rather than earned. Sir Mark Thatcher is a Bart Of course, it could have been earned if he was the first holder. Do we have a female equivalent now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw Posted 15 August , 2010 Share Posted 15 August , 2010 By the way despite the "Sir", a baronet is not a knight. He/she outranks a knight - except for a Knight of the Garter or a Knight of the Thistle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 15 August , 2010 Share Posted 15 August , 2010 Of course, it could have been earned if he was the first holder. Do we have a female equivalent now? No, but there are some whose ancestors wives were said to have 'earned' their husbands titles through services rendered to the sovereign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 15 August , 2010 Share Posted 15 August , 2010 Well, I did say "Could have been earned" and not "Would have been earned". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Shand Posted 16 August , 2010 Share Posted 16 August , 2010 This thread reminds me of the time when my son-in-law asked the owner of a B&B in Edinburgh why she called herself Lady K*********. "Because I married the Lord....... the Ba***rd", said our hostess. I gather he had found a younger interest and Lady K was suing for divorce. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Underdown Posted 16 August , 2010 Share Posted 16 August , 2010 According to Wikipedia, there have been 4 Baronetesses in their own right, who would be Dame whatevername Btss, one of these was created a Baronetess in the 16th century. All cases are Scottish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baronet#Baronetesses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David B Posted 16 August , 2010 Share Posted 16 August , 2010 Interestingly, in the Australian honours system there used to be an AK - Knight of Australia. Mr Hawke, in his wisdom ? had it abolished when he was PM back in the 80's. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 16 August , 2010 Share Posted 16 August , 2010 Certainly in England it was long the sovereigns prerogative to bestow a male title on a woman. Henry VIII gave Ann Boleyn a Lordship with title to match, it just wasn't done much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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