madgarry Posted 5 May , 2010 Share Posted 5 May , 2010 I have been researching my grandfathers brother Philip Stephen Phillips 201412 CORPORAL ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS,where we need help is on his medal cards,1 card shows he received the war medal and the victory medal,we know he also was awarded the military medal but this isnt shown on the medal card,we have the medal and a copy of the page in the London Gazette dated July 16th 1918 where he is listed as receiving it,now why isnt it listed on his medal card ???? onto the other card for him it states his name and service number and the following R/28 NT21 AND Q what do these mean,we also have no idea where he and his regiment were serving when he won the mm,any help gratefully appreciated. Garry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveE Posted 5 May , 2010 Share Posted 5 May , 2010 Garry The Medal Index Card you have is for his campaign medals and not for the gallantry medal. Although some of these cards are annotated with the gallantry award it isn't what these particular cards were meant for, there is another separate index card for the gallantry medal but unfortunately it's not available on Ancestry yet. However, the MM card can be purchased from the National Archives site (£2.00) here..... http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...p;resultcount=2. The card should tell you the battalion he was with and the date the award was listed in the London Gazette. Regards Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verrico2009 Posted 5 May , 2010 Share Posted 5 May , 2010 Steve, I keep coming across the separate cards for gallantry medals so I think they are on Ancestry: however, this one isn't particularly informative as it doesn't even mention the LG entry. Name: Phillip Phillips Regiment or Corps: R Scots Fusiliers Regimental Number: 201412 http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=Vi...mp;pid=10725773 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgarry Posted 5 May , 2010 Author Share Posted 5 May , 2010 Steve, I keep coming across the separate cards for gallantry medals so I think they are on Ancestry: however, this one isn't particularly informative as it doesn't even mention the LG entry. Name: Phillip Phillips Regiment or Corps: R Scots Fusiliers Regimental Number: 201412 http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=Vi...mp;pid=10725773 I have both cards from Ancestry,the first is his normal medal card the other has the following on it R/28 NT21 AND Q and nothing else,its these abbreviations/codes that we need to know what they mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 5 May , 2010 Share Posted 5 May , 2010 Might help - http://www.1914-1918.net/grandad/mic.htm Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveE Posted 5 May , 2010 Share Posted 5 May , 2010 Steve, I keep coming across the separate cards for gallantry medals so I think they are on Ancestry: however, this one isn't particularly informative as it doesn't even mention the LG entry. Name: Phillip Phillips Regiment or Corps: R Scots Fusiliers Regimental Number: 201412 I'm not sure what that card is, nor what the abbreviations mean but it sure isn't an MM card. I'm certainly not convinced that it's the card I linked to in my earlier post, there are no ranks mentioned and the initials/forename is different to what would be written on the MM card and is shown on the National Archives description. I think there's another card available on the National Archives site that isn't on Ancestry. I agree there are cards available on Ancestry for DCMs and MIDs gallantry awards but the MM cards, which we are talking about here, are not there. Regards Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveE Posted 5 May , 2010 Share Posted 5 May , 2010 Ok. To prove a point, to myself as well as anything, I've downloaded the card I linked to in my initial post. It is NOT either of the cards available via Ancestry and is what I expected, i.e. a card for his MM. Details shown are: Awarded "The Military Medal" France Surname: Phillips Christian Name: P. S. Rank: Pte. (A/L/C) Corps: 1st Bn. R. S. Fus. Regimental Number: 201412 Date of Gazette: 16-7-18 Registered Paper: 68/121/554 Schedule Number: 173154 Garry, forum rules preclude me from posting the image here but, when you get to five posts, send me a PM and I'll happily send you a copy. The London Gazette entry stated above and which I guess you've already got can be found here.... http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/307...upplements/8325 Regards Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgarry Posted 6 May , 2010 Author Share Posted 6 May , 2010 Ok. To prove a point, to myself as well as anything, I've downloaded the card I linked to in my initial post. It is NOT either of the cards available via Ancestry and is what I expected, i.e. a card for his MM. Details shown are: Awarded "The Military Medal" France Surname: Phillips Christian Name: P. S. Rank: Pte. (A/L/C) Corps: 1st Bn. R. S. Fus. Regimental Number: 201412 Date of Gazette: 16-7-18 Registered Paper: 68/121/554 Schedule Number: 173154 Garry, forum rules preclude me from posting the image here but, when you get to five posts, send me a PM and I'll happily send you a copy. The London Gazette entry stated above and which I guess you've already got can be found here.... http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/307...upplements/8325 Regards Steve Many thanks Steve Might help - http://www.1914-1918.net/grandad/mic.htm Grant Thanks for the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgarry Posted 6 May , 2010 Author Share Posted 6 May , 2010 Might help - http://www.1914-1918.net/grandad/mic.htm Grant cheers mate a very interesting site I'm not sure what that card is, nor what the abbreviations mean but it sure isn't an MM card. I'm certainly not convinced that it's the card I linked to in my earlier post, there are no ranks mentioned and the initials/forename is different to what would be written on the MM card and is shown on the National Archives description. I think there's another card available on the National Archives site that isn't on Ancestry. I agree there are cards available on Ancestry for DCMs and MIDs gallantry awards but the MM cards, which we are talking about here, are not there. Regards Steve you are working hard on this one cheers all for your help and assistance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madgarry Posted 6 May , 2010 Author Share Posted 6 May , 2010 Well this is now sorted and we have all the info needed,many thanks too you all,especially SteveE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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