boltzmann69 Posted 3 May , 2010 Share Posted 3 May , 2010 Hi All, Great forum...new here and thought I'd ask a couple of things. I started on this family tree thing a few weeks ago and have two soldiers (great uncles) who fell in the great war. Name: TAYLOR Initials: A P Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Lincolnshire Regiment Unit Text: 8th Bn. Age: 20 Date of Death: 05/04/1918 Service No: 42754 Name: BURDEN Initials: E J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Middlesex Regiment Unit Text: 2nd Bn. Date of Death: 26/04/1918 Service No: G/96892 Thanks to Ancestry I've got the service records and medal index for Edward John Burden but unfortunately I've only been able to find the medal index for Albert Percy Taylor and no service record. As I understand a lot of records were lost during the blitz. I wonder if I can confirm this some how? I'd hate to miss a record due to a poor search. I'd like to find out as much as possible about these two brave men so any hints/tips on sources of information would be great. Obviously the family is a good start but of the couple left nobody has anything it would seem. No photographs or medals, which is a shame. A war memorial question, are they always in the soldiers hometown/city or the regiments? Thanks to Mick at British War Graves I've got pictures of both headstones and cemeteries in Northern France where both these men lay. It's just amazing at how emotional for me this has all become, and I plan on visiting both graves in the future. As a thank you I've offered to photograph war graves in my area for this wonderful resource. Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boltzmann69 Posted 3 May , 2010 Author Share Posted 3 May , 2010 Think my formatting went a bit awry.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ander11 Posted 3 May , 2010 Share Posted 3 May , 2010 Burden EJ Private G/96892 26/04/1918 Middlesex regiment 2nd Battalion Fouquescourt British Cemetery France Grave ref II. I.3 Ianander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boltzmann69 Posted 3 May , 2010 Author Share Posted 3 May , 2010 Burden EJ Private G/96892 26/04/1918 Middlesex regiment 2nd Battalion Fouquescourt British Cemetery France Grave ref II. I.3 Ianander Ianander, I've got that info as above but thanks anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT-Guards Posted 3 May , 2010 Share Posted 3 May , 2010 Not much else you can do in terms of the service records to be honest, you could try to obtain a copy of the war diaries or request via 'Document Look-up'. The more you ask the more you will uncover. Try alternative spellings of the names or narrowing your serach options. (I'm no ancestry expert)! Long, Long Trail (this screen top left will guide you). Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin kenf48 Posted 3 May , 2010 Admin Share Posted 3 May , 2010 A war memorial question, are they always in the soldiers hometown/city or the regiments? Welcome to the forum Usually in the home town, often in their Church or Chapel, possibly in their workplace. These sites may help For Kent http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Kent/ and the UK National Inventory of War Memorials http://www.ukniwm.org.uk/ As stated above the LLT will indicate where they were killed e.g. Taylor was killed at the Battle of Ancre or the final stage in the German Spring Offensive in 1918. Ken btw wish I could find one service record for every two soldiers searched - you were lucky, statistically it's about 1 in 3 survived. My hit rate is about 1 in 5! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo794 Posted 3 May , 2010 Share Posted 3 May , 2010 Hello and welcome to the Forum. No.42754 Pte. Albert Percy Taylor 8/Lincs (37th Division) was originally attached to the 51/GRAD (or Training Reserve) Battalion of the Royal West Surrey Regt., No.156954, the unit he would have trained with. Many of the county regiments had these training units. Bedfordshire's, Notts & Derby's, RWSurrey's, RWKent's, The royal Lancs, to name a few. If you let me have your email address, I can send his BW/V Medal Roll. He is listed along with many other young men who would have been with the Lincolnshire battalions, the were in numbered batches. His high number 42754 suggests that he was a mid-1917 entrant. Probably, one of the men (26 KIA) at the Battle of the Ancre. I have an interest in this battle, as my girlfriend/partner had a Great Uncle who was KIA/Missing/not listed anywhere but in the local press of the time. No 21314 Cpl. Frank Hill 8/Lincs., a Policeman from Epworth/Scunthorpe, born in Huttoft, Mablethorpe, Lincs. 1890. He has now received recognition and will be listed with other men on the Arras memorial. Go to the bottom of the link for Frank Hill. http://www.cwgc.co.uk/Ebayrules.htm No.42754 Pte. A P Taylor gets a mention here in an old thread I remember finding. Scroll down to find the list. Alot of the lads KIA with the 8/Lincs were so in the April of 1918. I wonder how many were on the 5th? Cheers, Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo794 Posted 3 May , 2010 Share Posted 3 May , 2010 I have just got in from work, but if you want to wait until my days off, I can send you a copy or type you up a detailed account of the Battle of the Ancre where Albert P Taylor was KIA on 05/04/1918. (unless of course, someone else would like to do the bizz from Simpson's) Dick Whitworth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boltzmann69 Posted 4 May , 2010 Author Share Posted 4 May , 2010 CT-Guards said: Try alternative spellings of the names or narrowing your serach options. (I'm no ancestry expert)! Yes I've got a the same family member that appears as Marie, Maria amd Mara on differnet documents and Flemish got interpreted as Fleant!! Thanks Ken, I had looked at that site the other day and didn't really digest all the info but a second look and both soldiers names appear on the war memorial in the Butter Market at Canterbury!! Being Canterbury people and the only ones that appear I'm sure they're the soldiers. http://www.kentfallen.com/PDF%20REPORTS/CA...BURY%20CITY.pdf Understood about 1 in 5. I guess I got lucky! And lucky again with the war memorial. Bingo794 said: I have just got in from work, but if you want to wait until my days off, I can send you a copy or type you up a detailed account of the Battle of the Ancre where Albert P Taylor was KIA on 05/04/1918. (unless of course, someone else would like to do the bizz from Simpson's) Dick Whitworth Dick, many thanks for all the info including the Medal Roll. Yes I'd be very interest in a copy of an account of the battle. But in your own time of course. If you think I can do anything for you then please let me know, of course that goes for anyone else. Many thanks all for your help, Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 4 May , 2010 Share Posted 4 May , 2010 Kent? Anything I can help you with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boltzmann69 Posted 4 May , 2010 Author Share Posted 4 May , 2010 Kent? Anything I can help you with... Thanks for the offer Neil, I think I'm okay at moment but always looking for tips, info etc. I think historical local papers (Kentish Gazette) might be my next look in the hope of turning up a pic or two. Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 4 May , 2010 Share Posted 4 May , 2010 Okay, I wish you good luck Paul. I could do with a few tips myself lol... Remember we are ALL learning and no one person "knows it all" despite what some odd people may think and say! I can think of a select few that almost do though (and that doesn't include myself)....lol If ever I can help with Kent memorials etc... just email me and I will be glad to help out. My email is on my profile. Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo794 Posted 4 May , 2010 Share Posted 4 May , 2010 Dick, many thanks for all the info including the Medal Roll. Yes I'd be very interest in a copy of an account of the battle. But in your own time of course. If you think I can do anything for you then please let me know, of course that goes for anyone else. Many thanks all for your help, Paul. Hi Paul, I will get back to you in a couple of days with a quick type up of the passage by Simpson. Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boltzmann69 Posted 19 May , 2010 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2010 I've been lucky enough to get a picture of Pte Edward John Burden from his last surviving sister. Not the best as it's a copy of a copy etc but better than nothing. And here is his father, also Edward John who would've been mid to late thirties during 14-18. I know nothing about his military service etc so any info would be great. Is he Royal Artillery? Cheers, Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boltzmann69 Posted 20 May , 2010 Author Share Posted 20 May , 2010 Look as though I've found the MIC for Edward senior above. Could some kind sole tell me what the codes mean in the "cause of discharge" section and also the badge reference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin kenf48 Posted 20 May , 2010 Admin Share Posted 20 May , 2010 Para 392 Kings Regulations (xvi) no longer physically fit for war service The reference by the SWB is I think the date applied for/issued if I'm wrong someone will put us right! Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo794 Posted 1 August , 2010 Share Posted 1 August , 2010 Paul, Bung me an email, please. Cheers, Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo794 Posted 4 August , 2010 Share Posted 4 August , 2010 Paul, Files emailed last night. Cheers, Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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