Gadge Posted 15 April , 2010 Share Posted 15 April , 2010 Harry and Alfred Welham were brothers who were both killed within six months of each other during 1916. Both belonged to the Suffolk Regiment. I have the information from CWWG site, but can anybody help with any more information about hese two men. They both came from Sudbury or Bildeston in Suffolk. Where they enlisted and where they died ? etc Thankyou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 15 April , 2010 Share Posted 15 April , 2010 Are these your two men? from SDGW :- Alfred 2872 4th Batt Suffolks born Bildeston enlisted Ipswich dow 10-10-16; Harry Frederick 3357 4th Batt Suffolks enlisted Ipswich kia 17-4-16. Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFayers Posted 15 April , 2010 Share Posted 15 April , 2010 Harry and Alfred are both recorded on the Bildeston war memorial; as you say both were in the 1/4th Battalion. It's a pity Ray Long's online Cosford Database doesn't appear to be available any more - you may well have found some more info here. cheers Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFayers Posted 15 April , 2010 Share Posted 15 April , 2010 Just did a quick check of the 1901 census on Ancestry for you. Both men were indeed born in Bildeston, their parents were Frederick and Louisa Welham. cheers Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadge Posted 16 April , 2010 Author Share Posted 16 April , 2010 Are these your two men? from SDGW :- Alfred 2872 4th Batt Suffolks born Bildeston enlisted Ipswich dow 10-10-16; Harry Frederick 3357 4th Batt Suffolks enlisted Ipswich kia 17-4-16. Ralph. Yes, these are the two family members. Do they hold a medal card or any other Army records that might exist. As Alfed dow was it possible for him to be sent home as he is buried in Bildeston and his brother was buried in France? Thankyou for your help so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 16 April , 2010 Share Posted 16 April , 2010 In 1911: WELHAM, Harry Frederick 16 1895 Horseman On Farm Bildeston Suffolk WELHAM, Alfred William 15 1896 Carter Bildeston Suffolk Living with their parents, four brothers and two sisters at Market Place, Bildeston, Ipswich MIC can be got at TNA (costs £2 per card) - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...amp;queryType=1 Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 16 April , 2010 Share Posted 16 April , 2010 There was a Brother John Thrower WELHAM, b 1900. 2 card on TNA, 1 for a John in the Suffolk (3344) regiment and 1 for a John T in the Notts & Derby (103383) regiment Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 16 April , 2010 Share Posted 16 April , 2010 Gadge. Sent you a PM. It looks like there are only MICs for these two lads, cannot trace any service records on Ancestry. Alfred who died of wounds would have been brought home after being obviously seriously wounded and buried over here, his death was registered in Lambeth Dec Qtr of 1916 (FreeBmd site). Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadge Posted 16 April , 2010 Author Share Posted 16 April , 2010 Gadge. Sent you a PM. It looks like there are only MICs for these two lads, cannot trace any service records on Ancestry. Alfred who died of wounds would have been brought home after being obviously seriously wounded and buried over here, his death was registered in Lambeth Dec Qtr of 1916 (FreeBmd site). Ralph. Thankyou Ralph for your help. just a question If Alfred dow in October can it be the Lambeth one who you say was registered in Dec 1916? This has been a great help to my family history website. wix.com/hadleigh/welham Can I call on you again if needed? There was a Brother John Thrower WELHAM, b 1900. 2 card on TNA, 1 for a John in the Suffolk (3344) regiment and 1 for a John T in the Notts & Derby (103383) regiment Grant Thankyou for the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 16 April , 2010 Share Posted 16 April , 2010 Births, Deaths and Marriages are recorded by 1/4's 1st qtr = Jan, Feb, Mar 2nd qtr - Apr, May, Jun 3rd qtr = Jul, Aug, Sept 4th qtr = Oct, Nov, Dec So as your man DOW in the October, his death will be recorded in the 4th qtr, or Dec qtr, If he had died in the last days of the qtr (say end of 26th Dec 1916) it wiould normally be included in the next qtr (in this case 1st qtr 1917) Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 16 April , 2010 Share Posted 16 April , 2010 Gadge. Any further help, just ask, as Grant has explained October deaths are registered in Dec quarters as January ones are registered in March quarters etc. Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadge Posted 18 April , 2010 Author Share Posted 18 April , 2010 Gadge. Any further help, just ask, as Grant has explained October deaths are registered in Dec quarters as January ones are registered in March quarters etc. Ralph. I am getting a bit cheeky now, but is there any way I can find the actual places the brothers died. The only info I can seem to gain is that Harry is the only Suffolk buried in Cambrin Cemetary so I am assuming that was a CCS and he was taken there with wounds and died. Thankyou for clearing up the year quarters, I had no idea. Any more info on other brothers and sisters besides John Thrower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 18 April , 2010 Share Posted 18 April , 2010 Gadge. Only have access to the 1901 Census, it shows the family as Frederick W (father) Louise C (mother) Harry Frederick, Alfred: Frederick Clarence birth registered Cosford June qtr 1898; John Thrower birth registered Dec qtr 1899 Cosford, the other members of the family must have been born after 1901. As to where the brothers died, you could check where the Suffolks were at the time when Harry was killed and the death certificate for Alfred may give his place of death. Regards. Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 18 April , 2010 Share Posted 18 April , 2010 1911: WELHAM, Frederick W Head Married 45 1866 Horseman On Farm born in Wattisham Suffolk WELHAM, Louisa Caroline Wife Married 19 years 37 1874 born in Saxted Suddolk WELHAM, Harry Frederick Son 16 1895 Horseman On Farm born in Bildeston Suffolk WELHAM, Alfred William Son 15 1896 Carter Ditto WELHAM, Frederick Clarence 12 1899 School Ditto WELHAM, John Thrower Son 1900 School Ditto WELHAM, Horace Africa Son 1902 Ditto WELHAM, Mary Ann B Daughter 1904 Ditto WELHAM, Bertha Adelaide Daughter 1907 Ditto WELHAM, Sidney Harold Son (5 M) 1911 Ditto Living at Market Place, Bildeston, Ipswich Harry death certificate ref - Year 1916 / Vol I.63 / Page 395 Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 18 April , 2010 Share Posted 18 April , 2010 Grant. we appear to be working well in unison. Ralph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 18 April , 2010 Share Posted 18 April , 2010 Have we been paid yet ? Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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