milford_lass Posted 1 April , 2010 Share Posted 1 April , 2010 hi my grandad was in the first world war and stayed in the army after would i be able to obtain his service record please??? ty shirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peridot Posted 1 April , 2010 Share Posted 1 April , 2010 Hi Ty shirl If he stayed in after 1920 his records have not yet been released to the public and will be stored at the MoD in Glasgow. They are available to proven next of kin on payment of a fee I think of £30.00. If you post his name and other details it is possible other help may be available on the Forum. Peridot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonmate Posted 1 April , 2010 Share Posted 1 April , 2010 Shirl Soldiers who served since 1921 have records at this address: Historical Disclosures,MP555, Army Personnel Centre, Kentigern House, 65 Brown Street, GLASGOW. G2 8EX You will probably have to prove your relationship to your Grandad before they give you any information. Sotonmate Edit: forgot , a website too ! http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_record...ce_records.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kildaremark Posted 1 April , 2010 Share Posted 1 April , 2010 31/12/1920?, 31/12/1921? My grandad served until at least October 1921 but his service record does not seem to be in Glasgow (or at least that's what they told me!). I have never seen a definitive date as to what went to the National Archives and what the army retain. Does anyone know were some of the earlier 1920s records also destroyed in the Blitz? Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milford_lass Posted 1 April , 2010 Author Share Posted 1 April , 2010 Shirl Soldiers who served since 1921 have records at this address: Historical Disclosures,MP555, Army Personnel Centre, Kentigern House, 65 Brown Street, GLASGOW. G2 8EX You will probably have to prove your relationship to your Grandad before they give you any information. Sotonmate Edit: forgot , a website too ! http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_record...ce_records.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- thank you for your information, his name was THOMAS LLEWELYN JONES he was born in 1892 at clydach station, not sure what regiment he was in but i have a picture of him and my nanny with their first child, they had 14 children my dad was 9th from eldest poor nanny bless her, tho his hat under his arm looks like captain's hat ty shirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonmate Posted 1 April , 2010 Share Posted 1 April , 2010 Mark The NA give out a "business card" for the APC Glasgow,with the definitive dates : "Army Officers since 1922 and Soldiers since 1921-but before 1996" They gave me one a few months back when I enquired about Officer record file numbers with a P prefix,and I'm looking at it now ! Sotonmate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiegeGunner Posted 1 April , 2010 Share Posted 1 April , 2010 Hi Ty shirl If I'm not mistaken, Peridot, 'Ty' is not part of Shirl's name - it's an abbreviation of 'thank you' ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughdiamond Posted 1 April , 2010 Share Posted 1 April , 2010 his name was THOMAS LLEWELYN JONES he was born in 1892 at clydach station, not sure what regiment he was in but i have a picture of him and my nanny with their first child, they had 14 children my dad was 9th from eldest poor nanny bless her, tho his hat under his arm looks like captain's hat ty shirl Shirl If you have a photo of him in uniform, post it and it may help identify his unit, in addition, if the child is a Baby and was born whilst he served, the Baby's Birth Cert may give his unit under "occupation of Father", it'd do the same for subsequent children until he left the Army. Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milford_lass Posted 2 April , 2010 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2010 Shirl If you have a photo of him in uniform, post it and it may help identify his unit, in addition, if the child is a Baby and was born whilst he served, the Baby's Birth Cert may give his unit under "occupation of Father", it'd do the same for subsequent children until he left the Army. Sam SORRY IF PICTURE IS TOO BIG HERE IS MY GRANDAD TY SHIRL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larney Posted 2 April , 2010 Share Posted 2 April , 2010 It's a Royal Welsh Fusiliers badge Shirl. SteveJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milford_lass Posted 2 April , 2010 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2010 It's a Royal Welsh Fusiliers badge Shirl. SteveJ. steve does the cap make him captain or still a private?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larney Posted 2 April , 2010 Share Posted 2 April , 2010 steve does the cap make him captain or still a private?? A Private Shirl. They all had the soft caps to wear, and the uniform is not an officers, but an enlisted mans. SteveJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithmroberts Posted 2 April , 2010 Share Posted 2 April , 2010 There are a few possibles listed in the medal rolls. Has anyone in the family got his medals - they would have his service number around the edge? Otherwise as mentioned earlier you might need to check birth certificates or local papers to identify him positively. Obviously not all of those possibles in the medal rolls would have remained in service, so you may be able to exclude any whose records have survived and who left the army before the cut off date, as well as those who died during the war. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milford_lass Posted 2 April , 2010 Author Share Posted 2 April , 2010 There are a few possibles listed in the medal rolls. Has anyone in the family got his medals - they would have his service number around the edge? Otherwise as mentioned earlier you might need to check birth certificates or local papers to identify him positively. Obviously not all of those possibles in the medal rolls would have remained in service, so you may be able to exclude any whose records have survived and who left the army before the cut off date, as well as those who died during the war. Keith no mention of medals keith but, his son's medals were buried with my nanny, maybe grandfers are buried with him, i suppose then without his service number, i wont find them their picture was taken in 1916 ty shirl ty steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithmroberts Posted 2 April , 2010 Share Posted 2 April , 2010 Shirl Don't give up yet. If you have that birth cert for the child who might have been born while he was in the army that might help If you don't have an account with Ancestry, your local main reference library probably does have. If you search the medal rolls, and list all the possible candidates - probably 20 plus Then view their index cards, still using Ancestry _ some have info like date of death, and can be eliminated then check Ancestry, or preferably FindmyPast if your library has a free service to eliminate ALL who died in service (search in Soldiers Died in the Great war) By now you will have eliminated quite a few. Check to see if any of the possibles DO have service records or pension records on Ancestry - eliminate a couple more Take a rest. It really depends how many candidates you have left at this stage. Sometimes local newspapers have reports of local men joining up, or a frequently updated Roll of Honour listing men who served from that area. If you can get to Kew, or reduce the list to a small number, there might be information in the medal rolls against the possibles. I'm not sure how much, because I am still a novice compared to many on the forum. The other key thing, is memory - does your parent have any memories of mention of places where your gf served? these might be compared to the Long Long Trail which helps to identify where each battalion played its part. there is lots of information out there, it just takes patience and determination. At the end of the line you may have the answer, or not, but you will certainly have learned a great deal, and its addictive. Keith There's also the regimental museum, but you probably need to narrow things down before involving them as they now charge for dealing with enquiries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidneybean Posted 2 April , 2010 Share Posted 2 April , 2010 Hi Milford lass I notice his boots are drivers boots with spurs I think, and he is wearing a lanyard ,which from my research suggests horse connection like Regimental supplies etc. ASC ,RE, and RFA men seemed to be wearing these as Horse Drivers. May help your cause. Other pals might know more about this aspect. Regards Freeform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milford_lass Posted 3 April , 2010 Author Share Posted 3 April , 2010 Hi Milford lass I notice his boots are drivers boots with spurs I think, and he is wearing a lanyard ,which from my research suggests horse connection like Regimental supplies etc. ASC ,RE, and RFA men seemed to be wearing these as Horse Drivers. May help your cause. Other pals might know more about this aspect. Regards Freeform good morning on his wedding cert i recieved says he was a private in the 21st brecknock's ) shirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larney Posted 3 April , 2010 Share Posted 3 April , 2010 There is a Thomas Llewellyn Jones living at 2, Church Street, Narberth in 1918. Did your Grandfather live there, or stay at Clydach? (A bit of a long shot I know, but if he was the Narberth man, he is listed in the Absent Voters list as Tyne Electrical Engineers, number 365760) The cap badge is definitely Royal Welsh Fusiliers. He may have enlisted into the Brecknocks, or been demobilised with them though. They had battalion Drivers, so this may explain the shoes and spurs. SteveJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milford_lass Posted 3 April , 2010 Author Share Posted 3 April , 2010 There is a Thomas Llewellyn Jones living at 2, Church Street, Narberth in 1918. Did your Grandfather live there, or stay at Clydach? (A bit of a long shot I know, but if he was the Narberth man, he is listed in the Absent Voters list as Tyne Electrical Engineers, number 365760) The cap badge is definitely Royal Welsh Fusiliers. He may have enlisted into the Brecknocks, or been demobilised with them though. They had battalion Drivers, so this may explain the shoes and spurs. SteveJ. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hi steve my grandfer was born at clydach station a house on clydach station, the picture i was kindly given by brecon library says clydach station facing towards bryn mawr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithmroberts Posted 3 April , 2010 Share Posted 3 April , 2010 The Brecknocks were part of the South Wales Borderers, and it may be that the reference was to the 2/1st Battalion (see the Long Long Trail), which was a territorial unit. Edit The 2/1 was a home service battalion, so its very likely that they sent regular drafts of men for service overseas, and some could easily have been posted to other units. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milford_lass Posted 3 April , 2010 Author Share Posted 3 April , 2010 The Brecknocks were part of the South Wales Borderers, and it may be that the reference was to the 2/1st Battalion (see the Long Long Trail), which was a territorial unit. Edit The 2/1 was a home service battalion, so its very likely that they sent regular drafts of men for service overseas, and some could easily have been posted to other units. Keith ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ty keith was the swb the same as welsh fusilier's ?? i went on ancestry last night and i found a thomas jones from monmouth said he was discharged after so many day's because they didnt think he wud a efficeint soldier, but my grandfer was a soldier for a few year's. the war was on when the picture was taken, so perhaps he just did his 4-5 year's i know he wasn't wounded, so its best i look for his record is there anywere on the group there cud be a address kind regards shirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithmroberts Posted 3 April , 2010 Share Posted 3 April , 2010 Take a look on the Long Long Trail, link LLT is at top of the page and gives you access to lists of all regiments in the British army in WW1. Its worth spending a bit of time there - lots of good information. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milford_lass Posted 3 April , 2010 Author Share Posted 3 April , 2010 Take a look on the Long Long Trail, link LLT is at top of the page and gives you access to lists of all regiments in the British army in WW1. Its worth spending a bit of time there - lots of good information. Keith Take a look on the Long Long Trail, link LLT is at top of the page and gives you access to lists of all regiments in the British army in WW1. Its worth spending a bit of time there - lots of good information. Keith ok thank you happy easter see u in a few weeks lol with the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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