wulsten Posted 30 March , 2010 Share Posted 30 March , 2010 Picked up this portait photo today, believe Canadian, can anyone add anything about the picture or confirm era of the picture, ie is it WW1 or later, apologies for quality of the image its behind glass and i dont want to remove or disturb it, anything appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiddy30 Posted 30 March , 2010 Share Posted 30 March , 2010 hi wulsten,the uniform looks like ww1 to me,ys it looks to be a canadian soldier as he has the maple leaf on his cap.I cant make it out clearly but his shoulder lepells look like it has an NF which could be the newfoundland reg.good luck.He also looks to be a sergent lookin at his stripes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 30 March , 2010 Share Posted 30 March , 2010 Not sure which Battalion, but you can search Here Cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottsGreys Posted 30 March , 2010 Share Posted 30 March , 2010 His tunic also has the smaller, more numerous buttons of a Canadian tunic. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Johnson Posted 30 March , 2010 Share Posted 30 March , 2010 Any markings on the back of the frame to indicate location? That would narrow it a bit. Unfortunately I think it looks like a private purchase pattern, made IIRC by Eatons of Canada that were identical except for the centre numeral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulsten Posted 30 March , 2010 Author Share Posted 30 March , 2010 only thing on the frame is "framed by H P Robinson & son rembrandt studio redhill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken S. Posted 30 March , 2010 Share Posted 30 March , 2010 The one for 64BN appears to be quite similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Martin Posted 31 March , 2010 Share Posted 31 March , 2010 but his shoulder lepells look like it has an NF which could be the newfoundland reg. He is not a member of the Newfoundland Regiment or Newfoundland Forestry unit as both regiments wore the caribou cap badge and collar badges, this gentleman is wearing Canadian maple leaf badges. He is also wearing the CANADA shoulder title. The NF shoulder could be "INF" for Infantry. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinBattle Posted 31 March , 2010 Share Posted 31 March , 2010 newfoundland wasn't part of Canada in WW1, I believe, so Chris has it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulsten Posted 31 March , 2010 Author Share Posted 31 March , 2010 The one for 64BN appears to be quite similar. Im trying to open the link to the cap badges but for some reason my computer will not allow me to enlarge the pages of the shown cap badges, can anyone post a 64th Bn badge for comparison ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken S. Posted 31 March , 2010 Share Posted 31 March , 2010 Here it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulsten Posted 31 March , 2010 Author Share Posted 31 March , 2010 Not sure what do you think doesnt seem to start with a 6 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Johnson Posted 31 March , 2010 Share Posted 31 March , 2010 OK, definitely 133rd Bn. for my money. http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/canada/133cef.JPG All the points add up, plus the two scrolls curving up and down. Sailed for England November 1916, and then went into 23rd Reserve Battalion. Nominal roll here: http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:MzgeXZ...=clnk&gl=ca (I couldn't get the main page to open, so used Google's cached version). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulsten Posted 31 March , 2010 Author Share Posted 31 March , 2010 Michael, it is certainly clearer with the close up than on the portrait shot and i agree you have the id spot on, if only i had a name, i wonder if he was associated with Redhill where the photo was taken or whether the Battalion was stationed there for a period ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Johnson Posted 31 March , 2010 Share Posted 31 March , 2010 You could use the nominal roll to identify those soldiers who were born in England, then go to the CEF database http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databas...42-100.01-e.php to retrieve their enlistment papers to see if any of them were born in Surrey. I suspect that you could narrow it down to those who were NCOs. The embarcation roll could tell you that. I think this link will let you download a .pdf of the embarcation roll: http://www.mediafire.com/rlaughton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken S. Posted 31 March , 2010 Share Posted 31 March , 2010 I would agree, 133BN. As for who he is, by the looks of it this soldier would make a good candidate: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databas...aq9k7p7er3kntn1 1911 census http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/Vie...+James+F.+Donly if you click the "Links" button you'll see him in the 1901 census with surname Danby. The Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid shows no burial in the province for him: http://www.islandnet.com/ocfa/search.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulsten Posted 31 March , 2010 Author Share Posted 31 March , 2010 Looks like a possibility, if only it could tell a story turned up at a brick a brac market in Staffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Johnson Posted 31 March , 2010 Share Posted 31 March , 2010 I don't think Donly was a Sergeant in 1916, and he was born in Canada. 797518 Barnwell (born Essex) 798005 Blake (Hants) 797019 Clancy (Kent) (brother serving with Royal Fusilers, Lemnos) 797010 Smith (Bath) Lots of the Sergeants were Canadian-born, some Welsh or Scots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulsten Posted 31 March , 2010 Author Share Posted 31 March , 2010 The studio where the picture was framed is in Redhill which is in Surrey, so Hants or Kent could be a possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinBattle Posted 31 March , 2010 Share Posted 31 March , 2010 Well, there are 7 casualties via Geoff. 001 ABBOTT HE 797160 133RD BN 22/05/1920 CANADIAN INFANTRY 002 GRIFFIN WP 871950 133RD BN 30/10/1918 CANADIAN INFANTRY 003 MULVANEY J 2498509 133RD BN 18/08/1920 CANADIAN INFANTRY 004 NIGHTINGALE H 796748 133RD BN 25/07/1921 CANADIAN INFANTRY 005 PAULIN A - 133RD BN 13/03/1917 CANADIAN INFANTRY 006 PEPPER TW 797547 133RD BN 25/07/1916 CANADIAN INFANTRY 007 STELMASHUK F 797647 133RD BN 17/11/1920 CANADIAN INFANTRY One is an officer, so I think that rules our chap out, plus all bar one are much older. 2 do have UK connections, though. IF our chap WAS a casualty, then Stelmashuk would seem closest. Oh, and you can guess Peppers rank! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken S. Posted 31 March , 2010 Share Posted 31 March , 2010 Quite true, he wasn't; but I'm fairly certain we're looking at someone who was born in the 1890s. I'm not so sure whether there's a connection between the studio and the soldier's place of birth, though. There's a number of other reasons why it would have been framed there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken S. Posted 31 March , 2010 Share Posted 31 March , 2010 007 STELMASHUK F 797647 133RD BN 17/11/1920 CANADIAN INFANTRY One is an officer, so I think that rules our chap out, plus all bar one are much older. 2 do have UK connections, though. IF our chap WAS a casualty, then Stelmashuk would seem closest. Oh, and you can guess Peppers rank! He embarked and passed away as a Private, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulsten Posted 1 April , 2010 Author Share Posted 1 April , 2010 I must admit im tempted to check the back of the photo, though dont want to disturb it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Johnson Posted 1 April , 2010 Share Posted 1 April , 2010 The 133rd and 23rd Reserve were at Shorncliffe Camp, which is 65 miles from Redhill, which seems a litle far to go to get framing done. Here's alink for the 23rd Reserve, which confirms that the the 133rd went to Shorncliffe as well. http://www.cefresearch.com/matrix/Utilitie...serves/23rd.htm My experience is that framers often put a name on the back of the photo, probably to match up with the framing instructions. Some framers padded the back with newspapers, which really shouldn't be left due to the acid content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulsten Posted 1 April , 2010 Author Share Posted 1 April , 2010 Bad news is there is no name on the reverse of the photo, good news managed to check it without damaging the framing label Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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