T.T.R.A.S.C. - What kind of unit?

[alf mcm]

I have a mention on the Livingston Parish Roll of Honour for 'Private Ernest W. Sharmin T.T.R.A.S.C. Any ideas what the unit is? There are some medal record cards for Ernest Sharman serving in the A.S.C., if thats ay help.

Regards,

Alf McM

[teejay65]

I have a mention on the Livingston Paarish Roll of Honour for 'Private Ernest Sharmin T.T.R.A.S.C. Any ideas what the unit is? There are some medal record cards for Ernest Sharman serving in the A.S.C., if thats ay help.

Regards,

Alf McM

Could be Territorial Royal Army Service Corps

[alf mcm]

Thanks Tomboy,

I don't think it's likely, because other units are accurately named. There is mention on the Roll of M.T.R.A.S.C., for Motor Transport Company, so I was thinking that 'T.T.' could stand for Tank Transport', Tracked Transport' or perhaps 'Transport Training'. There may of course be other possibilities.

Regards,

Alf McM

[stevem49]

It could be T.F. and the memorial is incorrect.

Steve M

[alf mcm]

Thanks Steve,

The Roll shows other men, who are clearly Territorials from their 6 digit numbers serving in M.T.R.A.S.C., so I think the lettering is correct. It may be that Private Sharmin served in a unit which, for example, moved tanks, so that for him at least he was serving in a Tank Transport Company, even although that was not his units official title. This may be the source of the initials.

Regards,

Alf McM

[stevem49]

The only unit I have ever seen which is close would be Army Troops Train. They could have dropped the 'army' giving TT.

100 all ranks, formed from one ASC horse transport company.

(Taken from Unit Organisations 1914-1918 ASC, Mil Fact sheet No 11 by Ronald Clifton)

S

[Peridot]

The only unit I have ever seen which is close would be Army Troops Train. They could have dropped the 'army' giving TT.

100 all ranks, formed from one ASC horse transport company.

(Taken from Unit Organisations 1914-1918 ASC, Mil Fact sheet No 11 by Ronald Clifton)

S

Think it's the nearest we will get Steve as it doesn't seem to be listed in any of the reference books.

Peridot

[alf mcm]

Thanks again Steve,

I think Army Troop Train sounds reasonable , and agree with Peridot that it seems likely. Does the Unit Organisations ASC show if there was more than one of these units, i.e. one per Army? The man I am interested in, Ernest W. Sharmin appears to have a service number of M2/177145. This is a 6 digit number, so it may indicate which unit he served in {at least when he was awarded his medals}. This could at least narrow down the Theatre of Operations. I will start a new thread regarding his number in the 'Soldiers' section.

Regards,

Alf McM

[CT-Guards]

Tank Transporter Co. Royal Army Service Corps?

[delta]

ASC did not operate tank transporters in the Great War; tanks either travelled by rail or on their tracks.

Sorry.

M2 indicates he was a MT driver - so the link to transport is Ok

Stephen

[David B]

According to a thread on ASC numbering that goes back to about 2004 the prefix TT indicates Army Vetinary Corps Territorial Force. Could this man have served

in that area.

David

[Peridot]

My understanding in the course of research into my grandfather is that the ASC were responsible for early crewing of tanks but not actually transporting them-would their invention not have been too new then for specialised transporters and therefore Units to have evolved?

I have put a post about the Service Number on the other thread.

Peridot

[stevem49]

Thanks again Steve,

I think Army Troop Train sounds reasonable , and agree with Peridot that it seems likely. Does the Unit Organisations ASC show if there was more than one of these units, i.e. one per Army? The man I am interested in, Ernest W. Sharmin appears to have a service number of M2/177145. This is a 6 digit number, so it may indicate which unit he served in {at least when he was awarded his medals}. This could at least narrow down the Theatre of Operations. I will start a new thread regarding his number in the 'Soldiers' section.

Regards,

Alf McM

GHQ -

' The troops designated to support and defend GHQ - in 1914 principally one infantry battalion, two cavalry squadrons, two bridging traons and signal units - were supplied and served by Army Troops Train, of one hundred all ranks, formed from one ASC horse transport company. It was organised along broadly the same lines as a divisional train company'

It seems that they would move stores etc, from the railhead to GHQ.

Steve

[Peridot]

Yes, it's the GHQ equivalent of the movement of stores etc to the Infantry Re-Filling Points.

Peridot

[alf mcm]

Peridot,

Thanks again, I seem to remember reading that A.S.C. drivers drove the first tanks, probably until there were enough Tank Corps drivers trained. They were probably only attached to the Tank Corps, and not a formed unit.

Steve,

Also thanks again. It now seems definite that Troop Train is correct. One query I do have though, would it be normal to have motor transport drivers attached to a horsed unit? According to the LLT section on A.S.C. the horsed companies did not have any motor vehicles. Perhaps they gave up their horses when they converted to a Troop Train.

Regards,

Alf McM

[stevem49]

Unless of course TT should be HT!

S

[David B]

Have a look at this thread, it shows all the ASC prefixes

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...HL=asc+prefixes

David

[alf mcm]

Thanks Steve,

It's definitely T.T.

Thanks David,

A very interesting thread, it will be very useful.

Regards,

Alf McM