BSM Posted 2 March , 2010 Share Posted 2 March , 2010 A mate has asked if the badges worn by the lady in the attached image can be identified. The lady was born in 1864 which would date them somewhat. Any member assist please....Regards....Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 2 March , 2010 Share Posted 2 March , 2010 I've zoomed in a bit ... Looks like either "16" or "18" in a garter star. Victorian version of the Bedfordshires without the Hertfordshire hart and maltese cross ??? I'm guessing here though Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSM Posted 2 March , 2010 Author Share Posted 2 March , 2010 Mark thanks for the quick response. From another forum it has been suggested that it is a New Zealand Reinforcement badge and the chap was good enough to enclose an image of a "solid" version which I will attach. There is some difference between the scrolls. Definitely food for thought. The anchor could be Naval origin or simply a piece of civvy jewelery. Regards....Rod I've zoomed in a bit ... Looks like either "16" or "18" in a garter star. Victorian version of the Bedfordshires without the Hertfordshire hart and maltese cross ??? I'm guessing here though Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockdoc Posted 3 March , 2010 Share Posted 3 March , 2010 The riband is wrong on the solid version. There are words on the outer sections on the brooch but the solid version has them shorter and plain, with the words New Zealand under the star. I'd say there were at least four if not five words n the brooch's motto. With the neck-pin being a fouled anchor, could this be a Navy or Marines memento rather than of the Army? Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSM Posted 3 March , 2010 Author Share Posted 3 March , 2010 The riband is wrong on the solid version. There are words on the outer sections on the brooch but the solid version has them shorter and plain, with the words New Zealand under the star. I'd say there were at least four if not five words n the brooch's motto. With the neck-pin being a fouled anchor, could this be a Navy or Marines memento rather than of the Army? Keith Keith thanks for the input. Concur with your observations. What is interesting I think is the similarity of the centre piece on both items. Anyway thanks again and your thoughts have already been passed on. Wasn't aware of the reinforcement badge so that was a knowledge addition. Regards....Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockdoc Posted 3 March , 2010 Share Posted 3 March , 2010 I've just been to the National Memorial Arboretum with a friend and we came across a new memorial to the Household Division, which has the badges of the individual regiments prominently displayed. Two had similar stars as their centre-piece and my friend rightly observed that they could just as easily have been from a police helmet. It would seem that motif was used over quite a wide range of badges - not that it helps your research much....! Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSM Posted 6 March , 2010 Author Share Posted 6 March , 2010 I've just been to the National Memorial Arboretum with a friend and we came across a new memorial to the Household Division, which has the badges of the individual regiments prominently displayed. Two had similar stars as their centre-piece and my friend rightly observed that they could just as easily have been from a police helmet. It would seem that motif was used over quite a wide range of badges - not that it helps your research much....! Keith My sentiments also. Thanks again. We can but try to assist as they say. Regards...Rod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 6 March , 2010 Share Posted 6 March , 2010 Two had similar stars as their centre-piece and my friend rightly observed that they could just as easily have been from a police helmet. It would seem that motif was used over quite a wide range of badges - not that it helps your research much....! Keith This is the Star of the Order of the Garter or Garter Star. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Wade Posted 6 March , 2010 Share Posted 6 March , 2010 I'm wondering if the one worn by the lady is just a sweetheart version of this badge. Looking at hers I can't be sure if there are actually any words on the riband at all, is it just a ribbed design? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockdoc Posted 6 March , 2010 Share Posted 6 March , 2010 I wouldn't have thought the riband would have been ribbed to represent letters. It's plenty large enough for letters to be cast and if it didn;t have words why would the riband be there in the first place? Thinking again, it isn't a badge for the 18th Foot because that was the Royal Irish Regiment and their badge was a harp so what, I wonder, is the significance of the 18 in the centre? Could it be the 18th Battalion Royal Marines? Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Wade Posted 6 March , 2010 Share Posted 6 March , 2010 The reason I'm doubtful is that there's enough definition to see some shapes but not one of them seems recognisable as a letter. This is strange, having looked at a fair few badges over time I know from experience blowing up images on old pictures, is that you can usually make something out even if it's just a suggestion of a letter. I can't make anything out at all which is puzzling. I think the 'fouled anchor' neck clasp is just a decorative badge. It looks a bit stylised to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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