eparges Posted 28 January , 2010 Share Posted 28 January , 2010 Hi, I've had these 3 badges for years, but always wondered them be authentic or not. In the mean time, someone told me the Hood is a fake, no brass badge with slider existed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Doyle Posted 28 January , 2010 Share Posted 28 January , 2010 Tanks and Bucks Bn look OK to me; there is considerable debate about RND badges. The RND experts will tell you that the badge should have loops and a Gaunt Plaque to the reverse. There are two versions of the Nelson Battalion badge, illustrated by Cox in his book, one with a slider, and the great and the good on the BM Badge Forum have debated that one. It's smaller than the standard ones. Similar in size, in fact to your Hood example, with a similarly long slider. So, officially, its a fake (so-called restrike) if it doesn't have loops/plaque. However...? Cheers Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eparges Posted 28 January , 2010 Author Share Posted 28 January , 2010 Thanx for that Peter. Would you have the link/adress to this badge forum (sorry don't know it )? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardog Posted 28 January , 2010 Share Posted 28 January , 2010 http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/ Cheers, Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Doyle Posted 28 January , 2010 Share Posted 28 January , 2010 Thanx for that Peter. Would you have the link/adress to this badge forum (sorry don't know it )? Can be a bit heavy going.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max7474 Posted 28 January , 2010 Share Posted 28 January , 2010 The tanks is an old repro. ' lugs are not right for this badge, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eparges Posted 28 January , 2010 Author Share Posted 28 January , 2010 Thanx for the link, very interesting. Max, could you tell/show me how the lugs should be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max7474 Posted 28 January , 2010 Share Posted 28 January , 2010 Yes they should not be there. The badges were made with sliders. That badge has been artificially blackened to age it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 28 January , 2010 Share Posted 28 January , 2010 Epages, I agree...the Tanks is repro and personally I would not touch a RND on slider. The Gaunt plate is a debatable point but again if I were parting with my cash I would only buy a Gaunt one. Tt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Doyle Posted 28 January , 2010 Share Posted 28 January , 2010 Interesting; I agree that sliders are the norm for the Tank Corps, but you never know. I have a MGC badge on loops, which, I am reliably informed via the badge forum, is a Canadian production. Who knows? I wouldn't rule it out, but that's me. Cheers Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max7474 Posted 28 January , 2010 Share Posted 28 January , 2010 The MGC badge was an identical design for the Canadian and had their own makers hence the non-standard loops. That TC badge is a well known fake from a fake die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Doyle Posted 29 January , 2010 Share Posted 29 January , 2010 Fair enough, if you're sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 29 January , 2010 Share Posted 29 January , 2010 Peter, I would buy MGC on slider and loops and indeed have both. Regards TT PS e mail sent re RND query. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 29 January , 2010 Share Posted 29 January , 2010 Theres something not right about all of them, the black 'ageing' on badges is the most obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardog Posted 29 January , 2010 Share Posted 29 January , 2010 I think the Bucks Bn is Ok. It is black as it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Doyle Posted 29 January , 2010 Share Posted 29 January , 2010 Theres something not right about all of them, the black 'ageing' on badges is the most obvious. The Buckinghamshire Battalion badge is meant to be black, and shows appropriate age wear. Although I accept the views of others regarding the slider as being the standard fitting on the Tank Corps badge, I'm not convinced that this badge has a black finish to denote 'ageing'. As for the Hood Bn badge, well, again, that is open to debate in some quarters. As with all areas of collecting, opinions are, after all, opinions. Cheers Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crunchy Posted 29 January , 2010 Share Posted 29 January , 2010 Attached are photos of mine, which is a genuine badge with known provenance. Note is has no Gaunt plate First the front. Cheers Chris The rear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Doyle Posted 30 January , 2010 Share Posted 30 January , 2010 Looks good, but the absence of a 'Gault Plaque' would put some people off. I have several Nelson Bn badges, all different. Only one has a Gault plaque - but I believe that to be a fake one, actually. Another, in similar condition to your Hood badge, and again with good provenance, lacks the plaque. You pays your money and takes your chance! Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 30 January , 2010 Share Posted 30 January , 2010 Re Gaunt plaque... Indeed true words Peter however I did swap my non Gaunt Nelson for a Gaunt one with the same dealer nad no price difference. He was of the school that there were both. I am not saying that is not the case but I tend to prefer the Gaunt examples. Regards TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Doyle Posted 30 January , 2010 Share Posted 30 January , 2010 Re Gaunt plaque... Indeed true words Peter however I did swap my non Gaunt Nelson for a Gaunt one with the same dealer nad no price difference. He was of the school that there were both. I am not saying that is not the case but I tend to prefer the Gaunt examples. Regards TT I know what you mean, TT; i've just added two Gaunt Plaque badges to my collection - Drake (which I've been hunting for some time!, has separate words), and Howe. So maybe I've got that affliction, too! Cheers Peter (ps - did you get my e-mail re RND MG badge?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 30 January , 2010 Share Posted 30 January , 2010 Peter, Yes..will e mail piccies. Regards TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dez Posted 30 January , 2010 Share Posted 30 January , 2010 eparqes - capbadges original or restrikes Concerning the above subject, about 15 odd years ago, armed with an ad. 'military badges for sale' I headed to an address in Whaleybridge, Derbyshire. The place was easy to find and had probably been a stable and stableyard at one time, with large doors closing off the entrance from the street. On gaining entry I was confronted, not with the proverbial metal bath filled with badges, but uncountable metal baths, each one filled with military badges. They were not mixed, one type to a bath only, there were regiment, corps, home and overseas, cap badges and helmet plates, and the price, hold your breath, one pound each. At the time, I was collecting badges to Irish Regiments, so I bought some Irish ones to use as black sheep and to help in identifying genuine badges. There was no attempt at deception, and all these badges were sold as restrikes. They also provided typewritten catalogues listing 400 different types, if memory serves. This is probably the source for many of to-days problems with badges. At the time, the big surprise from this experience, was the cool reception this information received when it was passed on to other collectors of my aquaintance. They just didn't want to know, in case they had bought, or had any any duds in their collections! Dez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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