Tyneside Chinaman Posted 16 January , 2010 Share Posted 16 January , 2010 Hi Any comments on the attached would be welcomed I have just bought a batch of photo's that came out of a house in Consett, County Durham. All are easily identified because of the family name Wigham. There are photo's of 6/DLI (the local Territorials) 11/DLI, 3/Tyneside Scottish and 3/Black Watch. However I am stuck on this one, as you can see he wears a 10 on one collar a short title and a Battle Patch on the right shoulder along with four overseas service chevrons. There was a John Wigham served in the 10th Hussars but he was awarded a 1914 Star so would have had an additional red overseas service cheveron. Like I said any comments gratefully received. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john gregory Posted 17 January , 2010 Share Posted 17 January , 2010 Exellent photo, certainly not Hussars, he has the 37th Division horse shoe flash on his sleeve. I am not sure about the ten on his collar but as he has 4 overseas chevrons it must be 1918 and he has a small shoulder title. The 10th Royal Fusiliers were in that Division at the time so there is a possabilty he could be in that Battalion. JG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 17 January , 2010 Share Posted 17 January , 2010 I'd go with 10RF, too. I've seen photos of the 10th Royal Fusiliers with collar numbers before; as they were a sort of "Pals" Battalion ("Bankers" - in those days the profession had a degree more social acceptability), I suspect it was a reasonable affectation. He doesn't have a grenade above the shoulder title, but it looks as if it could easily be "RF". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesis Posted 17 January , 2010 Share Posted 17 January , 2010 Hi Any comments on the attached would be welcomed I have just bought a batch of photo's that came out of a house in Consett, County Durham. All are easily identified because of the family name Wigham. There are photo's of 6/DLI (the local Territorials) 11/DLI, 3/Tyneside Scottish and 3/Black Watch. However I am stuck on this one, as you can see he wears a 10 on one collar a short title and a Battle Patch on the right shoulder along with four overseas service chevrons. There was a John Wigham served in the 10th Hussars but he was awarded a 1914 Star so would have had an additional red overseas service cheveron. Like I said any comments gratefully received. Any chance of a look at the 3/Black Watch picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyneside Chinaman Posted 17 January , 2010 Author Share Posted 17 January , 2010 Gents, Thanks for the replies, I must admit I have never seen numbers on the collar in Briitish photo's before. The 3rd Black Watch card is a postcard adressed to Private T N Wigham S/11376 C Coy 3rd Black Watch Nigg Camp Rossshire From his son Hardy. On checking this out he previously served in 11/DLI from31/8/14 until 13/215 when he was discharged as unfit. Thanks again John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr.ktrha Posted 17 January , 2010 Share Posted 17 January , 2010 Hello John, Can you post the 6th DLI photo's as that is one of the battalions I am interested in? Regards, Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemesis Posted 17 January , 2010 Share Posted 17 January , 2010 Gents, Thanks for the replies, I must admit I have never seen numbers on the collar in Briitish photo's before. The 3rd Black Watch card is a postcard adressed to Private T N Wigham S/11376 C Coy 3rd Black Watch Nigg Camp Rossshire From his son Hardy. On checking this out he previously served in 11/DLI from31/8/14 until 13/215 when he was discharged as unfit. Thanks for info.good find m Thanks again John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyneside Chinaman Posted 18 January , 2010 Author Share Posted 18 January , 2010 Stewart, as requested One of the men must be 2431 Private Matthew William Wigham but which one is anybodies guess. regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom compton Posted 18 January , 2010 Share Posted 18 January , 2010 Hello.Somthing funny about the hair on the forhead on the first photo.A bit pointy.But the man seated on the right in the second photo has the pointed hair also .? Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 18 January , 2010 Share Posted 18 January , 2010 Hello.Somthing funny about the hair on the forhead on the first photo.A bit pointy.But the man seated on the right in the second photo has the pointed hair also .? Tom Looks as if he's wearing a syrup (1st photo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr.ktrha Posted 18 January , 2010 Share Posted 18 January , 2010 Hello John, It's a pity they are not all named. I always hope to find a photo of Sergeant John D Williams. He was wounded in April 1915, had his leg off! I knew his son, also a DLI man. Regards, Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 18 January , 2010 Share Posted 18 January , 2010 Cant see if the "syrup" chap has a wound stripe? A syrup could hide a nasty scar perhaps? Pure speculation on my part. Interesting that the horseshoe is dark...I raised this issue on a picture of a 37th man on another thread and Andrew Upton posted some excellent info re b and w photos and how colours show up...excellant image all he same. TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 19 January , 2010 Share Posted 19 January , 2010 Exellent photo, certainly not Hussars, he has the 37th Division horse shoe flash on his sleeve. I am not sure about the ten on his collar but as he has 4 overseas chevrons it must be 1918 and he has a small shoulder title. The 10th Royal Fusiliers were in that Division at the time so there is a possabilty he could be in that Battalion. JG ............. or later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john gregory Posted 19 January , 2010 Share Posted 19 January , 2010 ............. or later! OK, 1919 then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainfleet Posted 19 January , 2010 Share Posted 19 January , 2010 A very interesting and really quite important photo which I agree must be the 10th RF on account of the yellow 37 Div sign, which as has been said elsewhere shows up dark on period photos. It's unusual for collar badges to be worn by other ranks, but not unknown - didn't the Bermondsey battalion have them? At least one other RF battalion wore collar grenades. Never seen a unit wearing anything on just one collar before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 19 January , 2010 Share Posted 19 January , 2010 John - next time I'm home I'll dig out a photo of either the 10th or 11th NF wearing numerals on their emergency blues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_armstrong Posted 19 January , 2010 Share Posted 19 January , 2010 I was taught chemistry by a Mr Whigham at Framwellgate Moor comprehensive, which is about 10 miles from Consett. I may be imagining things, but there seems a family resemblance to me. He even had the moustache! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelPack Posted 19 January , 2010 Share Posted 19 January , 2010 Looks as if he's wearing a syrup (1st photo) I definitely agree with that analysis. Standard infantry issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max7474 Posted 22 January , 2010 Share Posted 22 January , 2010 The seated soldier is from the 10th Royal Fusiliers. If you read Ray westlake's book on the Kitchener Army he shows this badge in use. The collar numeral was perculilar to the 10 RF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyneside Chinaman Posted 22 January , 2010 Author Share Posted 22 January , 2010 Well I never sitting on the shelf behind my right shoulder for the last twenty years and I've never read that caption. Blinkered by interest in other regiments and divisions. Max Thanks for the headsup I will now read the book properly. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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