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Possible non-comm. - Dvr S. G. ALLEN, Army Service Corps


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A possible non-commemoration?

The Times, Thursday, Jul 08, 1915

SOLDIER KILLED BY LIGHTNING

Stanley Galloway ALLEN, aged 36, of Hull, a driver

in the Army Service Corps, was struck by lightning

during a thunderstorm yesterday. The lightning

struck his cap, and he was instantly killed.

regards,

Martin

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Possibly. Death certificate would be needed to take it further unless his service papers still exist and there's mention there.

The In From The Cold Project may have already picked this up when we checked Soldiers Died. I'll draw Terry Denham's attention to the thread.

J

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Martin

I can find no trace on CWGC or SDGW

Mind you can find no DC ref for the lad either under spelling Allen or Allan in England or Wales

Chris

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Bet this is him and the paper got his name wrong:

Births Sep 1879 - ALLAN Stephen Galloway (Sculcoates 9d 130)

Marriages Mar 1906 - ALLAN Stephen Galloway & PAYNE Harriet Jane (Wakefield 9c 73)

Deaths Sep 1915 - ALLAN Stephen G, 35 (Sculcoates 9d 182)

1911

LAMWATH COTTAGES SUTTON HULL

ALLON [sic], STEPHEN GALLOWAY HEAD MARRIED M 31 COACHMAN DOMESTIC SUTTON YORKS

ALLON, HARRIET J WIFE MARRIED 5 F 30 SCARBORO YORKS

ALLON, DAVID A SON M 4 SUTTON YORKS

"Coachman" fits well with him being a driver.

Can't find an MIC. Maybe he never went overseas.

Adrian

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Terry advises that we're not on the case with this one. And no trace amongst the English or Welsh death certificates. Died in Scotland or Ireland?

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Thanks, guys. There are these 3 possible MC records without a middle name or initial recorded (there were a couple more with wrong middle initial):

Allen, Stanley:

Army Service Corps, M/33489, Private

Army Service Corps, A/437756, Private

Royal Army Service Corps, T/388017, Private

Adrian, you're right, it's quite possible the newspaper did get his name wrong. It does say he was from Hull, so that's a match with Sculcoates. However, I guess there's another possibility, feint admittedly, that that was his brother and they both died in Q3 1915, Galloway being the name of their mother or some other family connection.

regards,

Martin

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I tend to go with Adrian on this one

now here is the down side with regard to burial records see this link

Chris

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1881

Ivy Cottage, Sutton, Sculcoates

ALLAN John A, Head, 24, Merchant's Clerk, b Sigglesthorne

ALLAN Fanny, Wife, 22, b Sutton

ALLAN Stephen G, Son, 1, b Sutton

1891

Ivy Cottage, Lowgate, Sutton

ALLAN John A, Head, 33, Commercial Traveller, b Sigglesthorne

ALLAN Fanny, Wife, 31, b Sutton on Hull

ALLAN Stephen G, Son, 11, b Sutton on Hull

ALLAN Alexander, Father, Widower, 64, Retired Gardener, b Haddington, Scotland

John Alexander ALLAN married Fanny GALLOWAY in Sculcoates, Q2 1879.

No sign of any siblings, and there's no birth of a Stanley G. ALL*N in the right place at the right time.

Adrian

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Thanks. I think you're right - definitely sounds like it was Stephen Galloway Allen, not Stanley. I'm wondering if they also made a mistake with his regiment. Perhaps they assumed he was Army Service Corps because he had been driving a truck. There is this MIC record:

Allen, Stephen G

Middlesex Regiment, 6306 Private

Middlesex Regiment, G/41026 Private

Cat. ref.: WO 372/1

The death certificate would probably have whether he was a soldier or not, would it not? Perhaps even the regiment? I'd be happy to order it from the GRO. Would it also be necessary to find a service record to tie in with his death?

Yes, pity about the Hull Archive Centre being closed, Chris. I wonder if we could still send it through to them, perhaps under one of the categories they're still accepting. In a way, at a stretch, it could be related to building approval (i.e. a CWGC headstone) ^_^

regards,

Martin

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I downloaded the MIC for Stephen G. Allen, which included 5 others, one of which is a Stanley G. Allen. See attached.

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Right this is what I suggest we do - I will get the grave details if TD is willing to order the DC through IFCP

Should have never have taken on the post of gravefinder general

Chris

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if TD is willing to order the DC through IFCP

Dear Gravefinder General

As post #5, Terry can find no trace of any death certificate. Which means we're stuffed for now.

Yours in admiration, O Skillful One.

John

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Cheers John

I love you too

Chris

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He's neither of the two medal index cards shown. One man was discharged in 1919; the other did not go overseas before 1916 but did so at some point after that.

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John,

As per post #4, Deaths Sep 1915 - ALLAN Stephen G, 35 (Sculcoates 9d 182)

Adrian

Slinks away, sheepishly......................

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As we all seem certain now that this man is Stephen and not Stanley and that he was a serving soldier at death, IFCP can get his DC at no cost to anyone else.

Therefore, I shall do that and report back here when it arrives. Assuming all is OK with the DC, IFCP will submit the case.

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In that case I will see if I can find the grave

Chris

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Sounds like a plan - thanks all.

Being from the wet side of the forum, I haven't had much to do with MICs. Is it unusual that there doesn't seem to be one for Stephen Galloway Allen?

regards,

Martin

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If he did not serve overseas, he would have no medal entitlement and so - no MIC.

However, there are a number of men who appear to be missing from the online MICs.

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I thought the name & details rang a bell! - see: http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...t&p=1235902

This thread provoked me to look at the names given in the other Times extracts about lightning strike deaths again, and I've edited in some notes to that post; there are two which have proved - at least to me - allusive: Messrs Powell & Baker, possibly two more non coms or, maybe, more likely, a case of mis-reporting in the paper?

Hope the quest on Allen's behalf is successful.

NigelS

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Grave has been found

Name: Stephen Galloway Allan

Cemetery: Hedon Road Cemetery

Grave: 46

Compartment: 316

Age: 35

Date of Death: 7/7/1915

Date of burial: 10/7/1915

Address at time of death: 8 Florence Avenue, Courtney Street, Hull

Also, there was one other person buried in the grave. Her details are as follows:

Name: Fanny Allan

Cemetery: Hedon Road Cemetery

Grave: 46

Compartment: 316

Age: 76

Date of Death: 25/1/36

Date of Burial: 29/1/36

Address at time of Death: 63 Durham Street, Hull

My thanks to Hull City Council cemeteries department

Chris

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Cracking result, Gravefinder General. You have weaved your magic again.

Fingers crossed that the DC supports the "serving soldier" thing.

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Martin

not him mate as that Allan went to the Balkans in Sept 1915

Chris

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