melliget Posted 24 August , 2009 Share Posted 24 August , 2009 A possible non-commemoration? The Times, Thursday, Jul 08, 1915 SOLDIER KILLED BY LIGHTNING Stanley Galloway ALLEN, aged 36, of Hull, a driver in the Army Service Corps, was struck by lightning during a thunderstorm yesterday. The lightning struck his cap, and he was instantly killed. regards, Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 24 August , 2009 Share Posted 24 August , 2009 Possibly. Death certificate would be needed to take it further unless his service papers still exist and there's mention there. The In From The Cold Project may have already picked this up when we checked Soldiers Died. I'll draw Terry Denham's attention to the thread. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 24 August , 2009 Share Posted 24 August , 2009 Martin I can find no trace on CWGC or SDGW Mind you can find no DC ref for the lad either under spelling Allen or Allan in England or Wales Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apwright Posted 24 August , 2009 Share Posted 24 August , 2009 Bet this is him and the paper got his name wrong: Births Sep 1879 - ALLAN Stephen Galloway (Sculcoates 9d 130) Marriages Mar 1906 - ALLAN Stephen Galloway & PAYNE Harriet Jane (Wakefield 9c 73) Deaths Sep 1915 - ALLAN Stephen G, 35 (Sculcoates 9d 182) 1911 LAMWATH COTTAGES SUTTON HULL ALLON [sic], STEPHEN GALLOWAY HEAD MARRIED M 31 COACHMAN DOMESTIC SUTTON YORKS ALLON, HARRIET J WIFE MARRIED 5 F 30 SCARBORO YORKS ALLON, DAVID A SON M 4 SUTTON YORKS "Coachman" fits well with him being a driver. Can't find an MIC. Maybe he never went overseas. Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 24 August , 2009 Share Posted 24 August , 2009 Terry advises that we're not on the case with this one. And no trace amongst the English or Welsh death certificates. Died in Scotland or Ireland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melliget Posted 24 August , 2009 Author Share Posted 24 August , 2009 Thanks, guys. There are these 3 possible MC records without a middle name or initial recorded (there were a couple more with wrong middle initial): Allen, Stanley: Army Service Corps, M/33489, Private Army Service Corps, A/437756, Private Royal Army Service Corps, T/388017, Private Adrian, you're right, it's quite possible the newspaper did get his name wrong. It does say he was from Hull, so that's a match with Sculcoates. However, I guess there's another possibility, feint admittedly, that that was his brother and they both died in Q3 1915, Galloway being the name of their mother or some other family connection. regards, Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 24 August , 2009 Share Posted 24 August , 2009 I tend to go with Adrian on this one now here is the down side with regard to burial records see this link Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apwright Posted 24 August , 2009 Share Posted 24 August , 2009 1881 Ivy Cottage, Sutton, Sculcoates ALLAN John A, Head, 24, Merchant's Clerk, b Sigglesthorne ALLAN Fanny, Wife, 22, b Sutton ALLAN Stephen G, Son, 1, b Sutton 1891 Ivy Cottage, Lowgate, Sutton ALLAN John A, Head, 33, Commercial Traveller, b Sigglesthorne ALLAN Fanny, Wife, 31, b Sutton on Hull ALLAN Stephen G, Son, 11, b Sutton on Hull ALLAN Alexander, Father, Widower, 64, Retired Gardener, b Haddington, Scotland John Alexander ALLAN married Fanny GALLOWAY in Sculcoates, Q2 1879. No sign of any siblings, and there's no birth of a Stanley G. ALL*N in the right place at the right time. Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melliget Posted 25 August , 2009 Author Share Posted 25 August , 2009 Thanks. I think you're right - definitely sounds like it was Stephen Galloway Allen, not Stanley. I'm wondering if they also made a mistake with his regiment. Perhaps they assumed he was Army Service Corps because he had been driving a truck. There is this MIC record: Allen, Stephen G Middlesex Regiment, 6306 Private Middlesex Regiment, G/41026 Private Cat. ref.: WO 372/1 The death certificate would probably have whether he was a soldier or not, would it not? Perhaps even the regiment? I'd be happy to order it from the GRO. Would it also be necessary to find a service record to tie in with his death? Yes, pity about the Hull Archive Centre being closed, Chris. I wonder if we could still send it through to them, perhaps under one of the categories they're still accepting. In a way, at a stretch, it could be related to building approval (i.e. a CWGC headstone) regards, Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melliget Posted 25 August , 2009 Author Share Posted 25 August , 2009 I downloaded the MIC for Stephen G. Allen, which included 5 others, one of which is a Stanley G. Allen. See attached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 25 August , 2009 Share Posted 25 August , 2009 Right this is what I suggest we do - I will get the grave details if TD is willing to order the DC through IFCP Should have never have taken on the post of gravefinder general Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 25 August , 2009 Share Posted 25 August , 2009 if TD is willing to order the DC through IFCP Dear Gravefinder General As post #5, Terry can find no trace of any death certificate. Which means we're stuffed for now. Yours in admiration, O Skillful One. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apwright Posted 25 August , 2009 Share Posted 25 August , 2009 John, As per post #4, Deaths Sep 1915 - ALLAN Stephen G, 35 (Sculcoates 9d 182) Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 25 August , 2009 Share Posted 25 August , 2009 Cheers John I love you too Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Baker Posted 25 August , 2009 Share Posted 25 August , 2009 He's neither of the two medal index cards shown. One man was discharged in 1919; the other did not go overseas before 1916 but did so at some point after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 25 August , 2009 Share Posted 25 August , 2009 John, As per post #4, Deaths Sep 1915 - ALLAN Stephen G, 35 (Sculcoates 9d 182) Adrian Slinks away, sheepishly...................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 25 August , 2009 Share Posted 25 August , 2009 As we all seem certain now that this man is Stephen and not Stanley and that he was a serving soldier at death, IFCP can get his DC at no cost to anyone else. Therefore, I shall do that and report back here when it arrives. Assuming all is OK with the DC, IFCP will submit the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 25 August , 2009 Share Posted 25 August , 2009 In that case I will see if I can find the grave Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melliget Posted 25 August , 2009 Author Share Posted 25 August , 2009 Sounds like a plan - thanks all. Being from the wet side of the forum, I haven't had much to do with MICs. Is it unusual that there doesn't seem to be one for Stephen Galloway Allen? regards, Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 26 August , 2009 Share Posted 26 August , 2009 If he did not serve overseas, he would have no medal entitlement and so - no MIC. However, there are a number of men who appear to be missing from the online MICs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelS Posted 26 August , 2009 Share Posted 26 August , 2009 I thought the name & details rang a bell! - see: http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...t&p=1235902 This thread provoked me to look at the names given in the other Times extracts about lightning strike deaths again, and I've edited in some notes to that post; there are two which have proved - at least to me - allusive: Messrs Powell & Baker, possibly two more non coms or, maybe, more likely, a case of mis-reporting in the paper? Hope the quest on Allen's behalf is successful. NigelS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 28 August , 2009 Share Posted 28 August , 2009 Grave has been found Name: Stephen Galloway Allan Cemetery: Hedon Road Cemetery Grave: 46 Compartment: 316 Age: 35 Date of Death: 7/7/1915 Date of burial: 10/7/1915 Address at time of death: 8 Florence Avenue, Courtney Street, Hull Also, there was one other person buried in the grave. Her details are as follows: Name: Fanny Allan Cemetery: Hedon Road Cemetery Grave: 46 Compartment: 316 Age: 76 Date of Death: 25/1/36 Date of Burial: 29/1/36 Address at time of Death: 63 Durham Street, Hull My thanks to Hull City Council cemeteries department Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 28 August , 2009 Share Posted 28 August , 2009 Cracking result, Gravefinder General. You have weaved your magic again. Fingers crossed that the DC supports the "serving soldier" thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melliget Posted 28 August , 2009 Author Share Posted 28 August , 2009 Great stuff, Chris. The spelling ALLAN matches what Adrian found in the census. This narrows things down considerably on the MIC - just four. My bet would be this one (Yorkshire Regiment): http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...p;resultcount=4 regards, Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 28 August , 2009 Share Posted 28 August , 2009 Martin not him mate as that Allan went to the Balkans in Sept 1915 Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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