bobdenn Posted 14 July , 2009 Share Posted 14 July , 2009 Hello everyone. I found this headstone in the Old Glenties Cemetery, Glenties, County Donegal, Ireland. I have done the usual CWGC search but there is nothing near him. I have also done DUNLEVY with no good result. Any help would be appreciated Thanks Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherpamick Posted 14 July , 2009 Share Posted 14 July , 2009 bobden Couldn't help notice it was erected by the Sweeney family. Could he be Joe Sweeney? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdenn Posted 14 July , 2009 Author Share Posted 14 July , 2009 bobden Couldn't help notice it was erected by the Sweeney family. Could he be Joe Sweeney? Sherpamick, I have done a CWGC on SWEENEY Sgt. Joseph SWEENEY, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers (5th Btn), 03/10/1918 aged 44 yrs 13340 Husband of Helen Sweeney, of 4, Baronald Street, Rutherglen, Glasgow. Born in Pelligo, Co. Donegal - This should be PeTTigo, which is about 20 miles SE of Glenties, so he is a strong possibility. Buried at Templeux-Le-Guerard Cemetery, Somme. The headstone is confusing, but I think this is probably our man. Well spotted. Thanks Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 14 July , 2009 Share Posted 14 July , 2009 According to SDGW: Birthplace: Templecarn, Co. Fermanagh Enlisted: Glasgow Hth Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdenn Posted 15 July , 2009 Author Share Posted 15 July , 2009 Grant, Thanks for that. On CWGC it says that he was 44 years old when he died in 1918 - therefore b. circa 1874. Does it give a date of birth and I will try checking the Irish Birth Records. Templecarn(e) is a small townland just north of Pettigo, Co. Fermanagh. Thanks again Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdenn Posted 15 July , 2009 Author Share Posted 15 July , 2009 Grant, It looks like Sgt. Joseph SWEENEY is NOT our man. I have just checked the Irish 1911 Census for the Dunleavy Family of Meenahalla, Glenties, County Donegal and a son Joseph is shown as being 25 and a farm hand. Therefore in 1918 he would have been 32 years old - not 44 as per SWEENEY. And obviously he was Joseph DUNLEAVY. Anyone else have any ideas. Cheers Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedsir Posted 15 July , 2009 Share Posted 15 July , 2009 Grant, It looks like Sgt. Joseph SWEENEY is NOT our man. I have just checked the Irish 1911 Census for the Dunleavy Family of Meenahalla, Glenties, County Donegal and a son Joseph is shown as being 25 and a farm hand. Therefore in 1918 he would have been 32 years old - not 44 as per SWEENEY. And obviously he was Joseph DUNLEAVY. Anyone else have any ideas. Cheers Bob Just a thought he may have tried to enlist under real name and got knocked back. So tried another regiment with looser medicals under an alias. It did happen a lot. Ned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdenn Posted 15 July , 2009 Author Share Posted 15 July , 2009 It's a possibility Ned, but would he have added 12 years to his age? Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murrough Posted 18 July , 2009 Share Posted 18 July , 2009 I wonder if he is included in Irelands Memorial Records, maybe some one can look up the Dunleavy's killed in 1918. Regards, Murrough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdenn Posted 18 July , 2009 Author Share Posted 18 July , 2009 I wonder if he is included in Irelands Memorial Records, maybe some one can look up the Dunleavy's killed in 1918. Regards, Murrough. Thank you Murrough, Is there anyone who can help. Thanks Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 July , 2009 Share Posted 29 July , 2009 Here are the Dunleavys from IMR; DUNLEAVY ANTHONY 1914-09-19 FRANCE KILMORE, BANGER, CO. MAYO DUNLEAVY AUSTIN 1915-02-14 FRANCE DUBLIN DUNLEAVY BERNARD 1918-09-25 FRANCE GOWLANE, CO. MAYO DUNLEAVY JAMES 1916-07-01 FRANCE BLARIS, CO. ANTRIM DUNLEAVY JAMES 1915-02-18 FRANCE BREAGHERY, CO. SLIGO DUNLEAVY JOHN 1914-10-25 FRANCE ST. JOHN'S, SLIGO DUNLEAVY MICHAEL 1914-09-01 FRANCE AUGHTOOSE, CO. MAYO DUNLEAVY PATRICK 1916-06-28 FRANCE SLIGO DUNLEAVY PATRICK 1917-11-27 FRANCE DRUMCLIFFE, CO. SLIGO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdenn Posted 29 July , 2009 Author Share Posted 29 July , 2009 Here are the Dunleavys from IMR; DUNLEAVY ANTHONY 1914-09-19 FRANCE KILMORE, BANGER, CO. MAYO DUNLEAVY AUSTIN 1915-02-14 FRANCE DUBLIN DUNLEAVY BERNARD 1918-09-25 FRANCE GOWLANE, CO. MAYO DUNLEAVY JAMES 1916-07-01 FRANCE BLARIS, CO. ANTRIM DUNLEAVY JAMES 1915-02-18 FRANCE BREAGHERY, CO. SLIGO DUNLEAVY JOHN 1914-10-25 FRANCE ST. JOHN'S, SLIGO DUNLEAVY MICHAEL 1914-09-01 FRANCE AUGHTOOSE, CO. MAYO DUNLEAVY PATRICK 1916-06-28 FRANCE SLIGO DUNLEAVY PATRICK 1917-11-27 FRANCE DRUMCLIFFE, CO. SLIGO Museumtom Unfortunately my man does not appear to be there. So it must have been Joseph SWEENEY and somehow he's 44 years old. A bit of a puzzle this one. BTW, Thanks very much for the lookup. Appreciated. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedsir Posted 2 August , 2009 Share Posted 2 August , 2009 Museumtom Unfortunately my man does not appear to be there. So it must have been Joseph SWEENEY and somehow he's 44 years old. A bit of a puzzle this one. BTW, Thanks very much for the lookup. Appreciated. Bob Hi Bob further to my last post on your subject I would like to tell you about something I came across while I was researching my family tree. For want of a better name I'll call it the 10 gap puzzle. You see my granadfather died in 1931 at age the age of 54 (by the way he fought in WW1) but his death cert states he was 44. My great grandmother died in 1926 age 76 her death cert states she was 66. And believe me when I tell you that this is not an isolated case. While researching I met numerous other people who had the same problem. The reason? I don't know to this day. Some people on another site I use say it had to do with a pension that came about in 1906. But I am baffled as to the reason. So in a lot of cases I have found that dates are not always what they seem. I hope this is of use to you. Regards Ned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhifle Posted 2 August , 2009 Share Posted 2 August , 2009 Hi, Do they have any Yorkshire connections? Came across this on CWGC site Regards Mark Name: DUNLAVEY Initials: J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: West Yorkshire Regiment (Prince of Wales's Own) Unit Text: 9th Bn. Age: 22 Date of Death: 08/11/1918 Service No: 60008 Additional information: Son of Thomas and Mary Dunlavey, of Barnsley. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: VII. D. 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eltoro1960 Posted 2 August , 2009 Share Posted 2 August , 2009 Not too sure if this chap is related to me, my mothers family Dunleavy / Donlevy hail from Swinford in County Mayo,before moving to Rosewell in Scotland and South Shields in England. See signature for Henry The name Many Sweeney for some reason rings a bell with me, I recall my old Auntie Netty speaking about a Mary Sweeney in less than glowing terms, sadly she is dead now. I will ask my mum if she knows anything, it not a particularly common name, especially the Donlevy variant, my mums cousins (both Patrick) are the only two servicemen listed on CWGC for WW2 with that variant. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 2 August , 2009 Share Posted 2 August , 2009 I've got an tendency towards this one, on the tenuous basis that he may have go a boat from Moville to Scotland and later joined up there. Although the year is 1917, it may be that there was no headstone on the Dunleavy grave and the Sweeney family had it done years later. Name: DUNLEAVEY Initials: J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) Unit Text: 2nd Bn. Date of Death: 28/07/1917 Service No: 16454 Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: I. L. 47. Cemetery: PERTH CEMETERY (CHINA WALL) Description Medal card of Dunlavey, J Corps Regiment No Rank Scottish Rifles 16454 Private Date 1914-1920 Catalogue reference WO 372/6 On a side note, well done to Charles Dunleavy for marrying a 23 year old Mary when he was 42. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdenn Posted 2 August , 2009 Author Share Posted 2 August , 2009 Hi Bob further to my last post on your subject I would like to tell you about something I came across while I was researching my family tree. For want of a better name I'll call it the 10 gap puzzle. You see my granadfather died in 1931 at age the age of 54 (by the way he fought in WW1) but his death cert states he was 44. My great grandmother died in 1926 age 76 her death cert states she was 66. And believe me when I tell you that this is not an isolated case. While researching I met numerous other people who had the same problem. The reason? I don't know to this day. Some people on another site I use say it had to do with a pension that came about in 1906. But I am baffled as to the reason. So in a lot of cases I have found that dates are not always what they seem. I hope this is of use to you. Regards Ned Nedsir. You are right about ages. The Irish, being a contrary race, were very cute when it came to giving information about themselves. My Grandmother was born in 1876 and she married my grandfather who was born in 1890, 14 years her junior. When they got married in 1915, she left her age of the marriage certificate (lol). When the Pensions Act in Ireland was made Law in 1906, the cut off date for pension entitlement was 1890. Hence, my grandfather got a pension and my Grandmother didn't. A lot of Irish men and women then lied about their ages in order to receive a pension. Thanks for your input. Bob Hi, Do they have any Yorkshire connections? Came across this on CWGC site Regards Mark Name: DUNLAVEY Initials: J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: West Yorkshire Regiment (Prince of Wales's Own) Unit Text: 9th Bn. Age: 22 Date of Death: 08/11/1918 Service No: 60008 Additional information: Son of Thomas and Mary Dunlavey, of Barnsley. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: VII. D. 22. Mhifle, Unfortunately all I know is the headstone. Anything is possible - so I rule nothing out. Cheers, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobdenn Posted 2 August , 2009 Author Share Posted 2 August , 2009 Not too sure if this chap is related to me, my mothers family Dunleavy / Donlevy hail from Swinford in County Mayo,before moving to Rosewell in Scotland and South Shields in England. See signature for Henry The name Many Sweeney for some reason rings a bell with me, I recall my old Auntie Netty speaking about a Mary Sweeney in less than glowing terms, sadly she is dead now. I will ask my mum if she knows anything, it not a particularly common name, especially the Donlevy variant, my mums cousins (both Patrick) are the only two servicemen listed on CWGC for WW2 with that variant. John John, Anything is possible. This cemetery now appears "Closed" ie no more burials - there is a newer cemetery about half mile up the road. Judging from the headstone, my guess would be that it was erected in the 1960's or 1970's by a relation of the Sweeneys/Dunleavys. Whoever erected it, I am pleased that they remembered someone who paid the ultimate price in WW1. Cheers, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicaljanice Posted 5 March Share Posted 5 March re Joe Dunleavy from Mallachallow His sister, Bridget, married Ambrose Sweeney in 1916 - hence the memorial stone for the Dunleavy family being erected by the Sweeney family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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